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psychiatric patients (N - 24).
In addition to a psychiatric evaluation using rating scales for
mental status, he proposes a systematic EEG recording for back—
ground EEG by visual interpretation, and for the visual evoked
response. Recordings will be done prior to drug treatment and
at weekly intervals for the duration of hospitalization, for at
least six weeks. He also proposes monthly recordings thereafter
between the second and sixth months. The date are to be snalysed by complex statistical procedures of a multivariate type
by consultants who are experienced in statistical analyses but

chiatric Treatment" by Dr. E. L.
to examine a small population of

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EEG.

The mission set by Dr. Reilly is a most commendable one.
the problem and
My comments can be divided into four sections:
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conclusions.
methods, facilities, significance,

1.

Problem and Methods

The problem selected by Dr. Reilly is a significant one.
In the description of the EEG recording and visual analyses,
he describes acceptable methods reflecting his experience as
an electroencephalographer. However, to describe a project in
1973 using visual description methods of a decade earlier may
reflect a lack of experience with newer methods of EEG quan—
tification. If the choice is based on data, then he should

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non-quantitative methods for a quantitative

concerned with the diagnostic criteria for psychiatric
It is unclear whether Dr. Reilly has the experience
to select patients carefully, as the problem requires. (This
question should be answered in a site visit.)
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evaluation.

I am also concerned with the one-to-two-day drug-free period
prior to the initial EEG. Considering the wide use of drugs,
varied dosages, etc.. this is inadequate. I do not have a good
solution, but I would recommend placing all patients in a defined
group on the same medication for a specific period of time before
the

EEG.

issue of diagnosis—related EEG measreported that the die differences were
a more parsiménious explanation of the differences found between
schizophrenics and depressives. Dr. Reilly does not indicate
an awareness of this major pitfall in such research.
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Thus the issue of quantification, psychiatric diagnosis,‘
medication and age controls, in addition th the small sample,
make me question the likelihood that the goal will be reached.
The application is also unclear as to whether VER, or resting
are the foci of the study. The application lacks a specific
hypothesis reflecting potential effects in either measure.
EEG,

2.

'Facilities

The physical facilities seem adequate to the task, although
I anticipate that Dr. Reilly will find that recordings made on
a Becknsn recorder will not be satisfactory for computer pro,

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Dr. Reilly's training seems adequate for EEG and his coworkers are physiologists and statisticians. The participation
of a psychiatrist (a behavioral typologist) seems lacking in

the study.

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The funds requested seem unusually modest. Considering
the talents ascribed to the consultants, the sun requested
($3,000) and the computer tine ($600) are inadequate for the
analyses described in the text. While modesty may be a factor,
I believe lack of experience is a better explanation.

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Significance

of physiological indices for the classification
of the mentally ill and for the description of changes in psychiatric treatment are very important issues. The problem has
The problem

been approached by many investigators.

The

literature survey

presented by Dr. Reilly is adequate, although there are significant omissions, particularly the studies of Shagass, Callaway, and Monroe. Again, the references to clinical electroancephalographers, especially those associated with Knott, Wilson, and Doty, are well reported, but the contributions to this
problem by psychopathologists are lacking.
4.

Conclusions

cannot help feeling that Dr. Reilly is an enthusiastic
in climbing a small hill in the lower
Appalachian Mountains, who became excited with the possibility
of scaling Annapurna. The goal is commendable, but he seems
to have learned only the rudiments necessary for this task, and
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young man, experienced

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do not

believe that the prognosis for success is favorable.

But how can one encourage such an

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that he spend

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interest? Is

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Shagese, J. Small or Itil to obtain additional psychiatric
experience relevant to the problem which interests him?

I would also suggest, if one can, that he become acquainted
with Neil Burch and Peter Kellaway, both in Houston. These men
understand EEG measurement and can probably contribute to his
data processing. He should become acquainted with either Bernard
Salteberg of Tulane or Stanley Feldstein of the University of
Maryland. Both of these men have devoted many years' effort to
the statistical analysis of complex EEG data, Seltrberg with
Burch and Feldstein with me. (I would ask that he be advised
of the work of Dr. Burdh, for on Page 21 he says, "There is no
other source of the programs in running form available in Houston."
It is my understanding that Dr. Burch has had quantitative EEG
programs for background 339 and probably AER in running form
since 1966.)
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comments

are helpful.

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he has targetted is a worthwhile experience.

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