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                  <text>October 31, 1970
Dear Hi,

last spoke, I

became concerned that you were
between
the College and the DNH. I
negotiations
think I understand your discomfort, and I am writing this note to
bring up to date the state of the negotiations-— hoping thereby you
may be able to accept Al Freedman's reluctance to make any separate
'deala' with Albany until the principal 'deal' is completed.

distressed

6

When we

by the

We have met with Mr. Dubois and Dr. Kesselbrenner on at least
occasions since late spring, the latest on October 1.

There have been at least 4 drafts of 'agreements', with the
from Albany, vitiating completely all previous
received
as
latest,
agreements, and reducing the negotiations to the same state as they

held in 1969, and earlier. I- is clear that DMH is not interested in
an affiliation, nor in providing any funds for teaching and training,
nor in anything more than using the name of the College to bail them out
of a training

difficulty.

I had been hopeful that the College would establish a
direct relationship with Kirby, such that our patients would be treated
on a long term basis at Kirby; thereby allowing my staff to study the
therapy of the severe mentally ill. We did not ask for a research ward;
indeed, we insisted that there he a clinical center first, and that
research only of a clinical nature be encouraged. The first project
that I wished to encourage was the ECT project now at Gracie Square

Hospital.

Since the negotiations have failed to achieve any closure
have moved my project from Gracie Square to Metropolitan

for 1970-71, I

HOSpital.

Both Al and I were dubious that DMH were sincere in their
interest, but favored them to the extent of particpating in the discussions.
The matter has now been referred to the Commissioner with the statement
that Al Freedman sees no point in meeting with anyone else. (I encouraged

this decision).

Perhaps this will

you have contended with

for

clarify the difficulty. I

many

years,

Peace, and Happy Flying.

and admire your

know now what

fortitude.

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