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                    <text>Section One 
Person interviewed:​ Jennifer Chou 
Interviewee’s title:​ Founding member and former Deputy Director of Programming at Radio 
Free Asia 
Date, time, and length of interview:​ November 1, 2015 2 p.m ­ 1 hour, 15 minutes, 50 seconds 
Objective: ​To understand and learn more about the career path and experiences of Jennifer 
Chou. We were especially interested in her effects on US/Asian relations as a whole. 
Section Two 
For pre­interview research, we searched Ms. Chou’s name on Google. We received few 
results, but did find a link to The Weekly Standard. Ms. Chou wrote for the China blog from 
2007­2008. 
In order to prepare for the interview, we searched Ms. Chou’s name on Google to find 
any information that we could. We browsed the blogs she wrote for The Weekly Standard in 
order to get an idea of her writing. She sent Ericka weblinks, which were then distributed so we 
were able to read blog entries of hers. To formulate interview questions, we brainstormed about 
the different information we were interested in finding out about her. For these questions, we 
tried to pick a range of them that covered early life, education, work with Radio Free Asia, and 
future plans. 
Interview questions:  
1. We know that you were born and grew up in Taiwan, could you tell us a little bit about 
your childhood and what that was like? 

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�a. (Probing) Was there one “ah­ha” moment where you knew you wanted to be a 
journalist? 
b. (Probing) Can you tell us a little about your parents and what sort of influence 
they gave you as a child? 
c. (Probing) How did your mother feel about you being a journalist? 
2. Could you talk about your college education? 
a. (Probing) In college you studied literature, and went on to do what? 
b. (Probing) What gave you the idea to write your dissertation on reportage 
c. (Probing) When the Department Head told you there were few spots for transfer 
students in journalism, did you accept it, or did you realize it was wrong? 
3. When you came to the US, can you tell us the differences between the cultures? 
4. Could you tell us about your experience and work with Radio Free Asia? 
a. (Probing) When you were approached to start Radio Free Asia, what was your 
initial reaction? 
b. (Probing) When you started, it was 1 hour/day, what was the time frame of Radio 
Free Asia growing 
5. What were you most afraid of when starting Radio Free Asia? How much professional 
experience had you had before, were you prepared? 
6. Did you ever face any criticisms when working for Radio Free Asia? 
a. (Probing) How did you convince accomplished journalists to work for you? 
7. We know Radio Free Asia was responsible for covering news that mainstream media did 
not, was there a common theme of uncovered news in mainstream media? 

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�8. What would is one of your biggest accomplishments while working with Radio Free 
Asia? 
9. What are some examples of favorite stories you’ve covered yourself? 
10. Could you tell us about the Human Rights Network? 
a. (Probing) When you submit the proposal to the UN, what are you hoping 
changes? 
b. (Probing) How did you create the draft? 
11. Have you ever been wrong or unable to verify or confirm human rights violation details 
a. (Probing) Did you feel disappointed [because you couldn’t find the source?] 
12. Did you ever work with someone you didn’t necessarily agree with? If so, how did you 
combat that? 
13. Is there anything you would’ve wanted to change while working for Radio Free Asia? 
14. What do you suggest for a woman who wants to successfully pursue her career of choice? 
15. Is there one person you think is the most interesting that you’ve had the pleasure of 
working with? 
16. Can you tell us about how being a woman influenced how you led in your profession? 
17. Can you talk about some of your greatest accomplishments? 
18. Is there anything else you’d like to share with us? Anything we missed that you’d like to 
talk about? 
19. Did you choose to study in the US because you were not able to study journalism in 
Taiwan? 

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�20. After you got your PhD, what did your professional life look like leading up to Radio 
Free Asia? 
21. How many different dialects do you speak? 
Section Three 
1. Did you get complete answers to your questions? Explain.  
Ms. Chou gave us very thorough responses to each of our questions. At times, she 
answered more than one question with one response. During other instances, she gave various 
examples of her life experiences within the response of one question. For example, she 
mentioned that traveling to the U.S. was not a huge culture shock because she grew up watching 
American programs on TV as a child. This gave us an idea of what her experience was like when 
she first came to the states, and it gave us more background information about her influences 
growing up.  
2. Was your interview structured, unstructured, or mixed? Explain.  
We went into our interview prepared with questions to provide structure to the interview, 
but also prepared to ask unplanned questions based on Ms. Chou’s responses. Our interview 
began with our planned questions, with some small follow up questions depending on the 
response. We started with questions about Ms. Chou’s childhood. We then asked some 
unplanned follow­up questions about her career path and the reasons why she chose to become a 
journalist. Her answers indicated possible gender influences, like when her professor told her she 
that she could not become a journalism major because women do not often go on to use their 
education due to having domestic responsibilities. Later on, we would use these hints to ask 
some questions about her opinions on gender in the workplace. There were many instances like 

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�this where we asked questions based on her responses rather than staying with the questions we 
prepared. Overall, our interview was primarily unstructured with substantial planning and 
planned questions going into the interview.  
3. What probing questions did you use?  Explain.  
When Ms. Chou answered our initial questions, she gave certain answers that increased 
our curiosity, leading to probing questions. For one question, we asked Ms. Chou to tell us about 
her college education. She began telling us about how she initially majored in English and went 
to speak to an administrator about transferring into the journalism program. The administrator 
told her there was little room for female transfers because they often got married, had children, 
and stopped working. Megan proceeded to probe and ask how Ms. Chou reacted to this 
experience with the administrator, and whether she accepted this answer from him or realized it 
was wrong. We were surprised to find that Ms. Chou was initially an English major, and even 
more surprised to hear the response from the administrator when she attempted to change majors. 
To find out more about Ms. Chou’s feelings, we had to come up with an unplanned probing 
question. For example, we asked her broad questions like, “who was the most interesting person 
you’ve encountered.” She answered saying she met a blind advocate. We probed her response by 
asking what made him so interesting, which made the question more precise, and we went on to 
ask how having this experience shaped her career choices. It was evident she felt admiration for 
this person because he faced personal adversity, however he continued to help others despite 
being blind. From the interview, we could tell she thought highly of this person, and there was a 
sense that she strived to help others in her own way.  
4. Explain your team approach.  That is, who did what?  

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�During the first day the project was introduced, Drazen created a Google Doc. We each 
wrote our own portion of the introductory email, and when allowed, Ericka sent the email to Ms. 
Chou. During class time, we all created and contributed interview questions to a different Google 
Doc that Drazen created. Since most questions of our interview questions were put together 
during class time, only few were added outside of class by Drazen and Ericka. Ms. Chou kept in 
correspondence with Ericka via email, exchanging pre­interview research links/information and 
interview date/time proposals. The day of the interview, all four of us arrived at Humanities 
between 1:30 and 1:45 to set up prior to the interview. Drazen brought her laptop and we each 
brought headphones in order to hear Ms. Chou. During the interview, we took turns introducing 
ourselves. Megan and Drazen asked most of the interview questions, but all four of us asked at 
least one. In class, Drazen, Raven, and Ericka started working on the paper by filling in any 
information we could. That week, all four of us met to work on the interview write up. During 
our meeting, Drazen and Megan worked on the Process slide, Ericka worked on the Content 
slide, while Raven added to the write up. Until we finished the write up, we each added 
information where we were able to. Before our presentation, Drazen and Ericka met up to finish 
the PowerPoint, where Ericka recorded the audio content for both slides. Due to faulty audio, 
Ericka re­recorded the slides at home. Prior to submitting the write up, we all looked over the 
paper and added any final touches. 
5. Did the interviewee give you any documents or references to articles to read, or did she 
mention other people for you to talk to (or research)? Explain.  
In the first email to Ms. Chou, we asked her to provide any information that she wished 
for us to know in order to formulate our interview questions. She responded with the link to the 

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�blog articles she wrote for The Weekly Standard (​weeklystandard.com/author/jennifer­chou​), 
which we initially found after searching her name on Google. During our interview, she told us 
about one activist she worked with, Chen Guangcheng, and how interesting she thought his story 
was. Because of our interest in his story while she was telling it, she sent Ericka the links to two 
blog articles she wrote for The Weekly Standard, which were then distributed to the rest of the 
group (​weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/892lwkpg.asp​ and 
weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/602forjl.asp​). These links were 
helpful because Ms. Chou was able to provide us with background information to become more 
acquainted with her written work. 
Section Four 
Interview Notes: ​Jennifer Chou grew up with a supportive family. One thing that was 
interesting was that she experienced American culture through TV programs. Her parents 
encouraged her to get an education, despite the Confucian society she grew up in. When Chou 
was in college, she attempted to change her major to journalism, but was denied. She explained 
that “transfer spots were for men because they would not be wasted on women who leave to have 
a family.” This did not stop her. She finished her undergrad, and went on to pursue journalism in 
the U.S. There she insisted hard works was all she needed to become successful. She was 
following the republican campaign, when she was approached to be a founder for Radio Free 
Asia (based off of Radio Free Europe.) When she was asked, “are you afraid of a challenge?” she 
took a leap from the job she always dreamed and finally accomplished to pursue something new. 
She explained that above all, you need to do what you are passionate about and you need to work 
hard at what you love. She loved to cover the stories that mainstream media would otherwise 

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�ignore. She spread knowledge in a way that allowed her to combine her love for writing with her 
own ideal of increasing awareness in Asia and all over the world.  
Consider what was said, emerging trends your interviewee mentioned, different 
interpretations, and recommendations for follow up interviews. 
Ms. Chou spoke with an undertone of humility and an undying belief in hard work. In all 
of her responses, she spoke not as an successful woman but as someone who simply went above 
and beyond in all she did. She never spoke from a place of privilege but rather ignored social 
connotations of gender and race, because to her hard work overruled all. Those who recognise 
gender as an obvious social factor may have a hard time with some of Chou’s responses. 
However once we recognize that she speaks from a place where gender was viewed very 
differently, we realize that her opinion is likely a product of her time. We would be interested in 
hearing more about Chou’s thoughts of Confucian society and how they contribute to her 
opinions on race and gender in America.  
One recommendation we can give to future interviewers is to take note of how their 
interviewee reacts to the questions. Ms. Chou very strongly feels that accomplishments should 
not be tied to gender. Although we know about gender inequality from class, she felt that, 
“saying someone’s accomplishments were great ​for a woman​” is disrespectful because it belittles 
the accomplishment. Knowing this prepared Drazen to answer one of Chou’s questions: “is this 
project for a women’s class, or women only?” Drazen responded along the lines of, “the class 
does acknowledge women, since it is ‘Women in U.S.­Asian relations,’ however this project is 
more focused on individuals, men, women, Asian, or not, who have major accomplishments. 
We’re reporting on how the career trajectory was accomplished and what inspired people to end 

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�up where they are today.” I think Ms. Chou appreciated the response, since she felt she was 
picked for her work and not solely because she’s a woman.  
Section Five 
What aspects of the interview did you find to be particularly meaningful?  
Ms. Chou’s advice to us was particularly meaningful. She believes that she is very 
fortunate to match her passions with her skill sets and actually love what she does every day. She 
encouraged women to read, read, and read some more. She stresses the importance of passion in 
curiosity inside their desired field. This passion allows her to work toward something 
meaningful. Moreover Ms. Chou encourages women to work over and beyond expectations. She 
explained using the instance where she worked the soundboard in her entry level job just because 
she wanted to learn how to do it. Not only did she go beyond her job description by working the 
soundboard, but she also explored a new aspect of the journalism career by doing so. 
 Ms. Chou’s take on gender allows us to recognize the importance of self drive and 
passion rather than focusing on the drawbacks of gender differences. Unlike Ms. Chou, many 
women could have been deterred by not being able to pursue their desired major. However Ms. 
Chou continued on to work in journalism despite the adversity she faced. She believes that “there 
is no substitute for hard work” and that women and minorities will not be affected by career 
discrimination if they commit to working hard. Ms. Chou was extremely humble and brilliant. 
She is truly an example of an hardworking person whose impactful work continues to alter the 
foundation of US/Asian relations. 
What aspects were not useful?  

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�Speaking with Ms. Chou was an amazing experience. All of her wisdom and advice was 
extremely useful. Her story was interesting from start to finish. The entire interview process 
taught us a lot about the journey to finding our perfect career. In all, there was hardly any 
material that was not useful.  
What more would you like to know?  
Upon reflection there were a few more things we would love to know about Ms.Chou. 
One thing we did not hear much about was her personal life. We learned that she has a husband, 
but did not inquire about if she had any children. Based on that response it would be interesting 
to find why or why not she decided to have kids. We could then inquire about how her career 
played into her family choices.  
Ms. Chou’s opinions on the gender were interesting in comparison to her life story. She 
strongly believes that gender does not and should play a role in an individual's career. However 
one of the major reasons she did not become a journalism major was because her male professor 
told her that he would not give her a spot in the major. She was told that women do not actually 
make use of their education and end up wasting it as when they get married and become 
homemakers. We would be interested to ask what exactly made her want to switch to journalism 
and the first place. Also we would like to explore more about her opinions on gender.  
We would love to receive an update on the outcome of her current project with Human 
Rights Network. At the end of the interview she explained to us about the she was currently 
editing. The report was about the documentation of human rights violation cases in China. A 
draft was already submitted to the United Nations. The report was made public about two weeks 
after the interview. We would love to know if her report was able to make any waves or cause 

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�any change once the final report was published and sent again to the United Nations. We also 
would be interested to hear about any other up and coming projects with the Human Rights 
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What other in­class presentations did you find particularly useful? Explain 
Presentations during class were useful in highlighting how much women can accomplish 
regarding, but not limited to, US­Asian relations. Personally, I (Ericka) found the presentation on 
Mary David incredibly moving and useful. Considering how young she appears, she has 
accomplished an extreme amount through shedding light on human trafficking. She does this in 
creative ways such as pageants, spoken word, and other forms of art. This allows her to share her 
knowledge in schools and other areas where a standard presentation on human trafficking may 
not have normally been allowed. Through her work, she is educating the youth, which will help 
to better identify victims of trafficking ­ something that is particularly useful in the fight to end 
it. She also identifies as a “woman helping the world,” and does not define herself to just Asian 
or just American. If I had not been assigned to interview Jennifer Chou, I would have loved to 
interview Mary David to learn about all of her work. 
I (Drazen), also found Mary David intriguing. She uses her platform as a dancer, beauty 
contestant, and spoken­word performer to bring human trafficking to light. One of the hardest 
parts about advocating for a cause is creating a dialogue between yourself and the target 
audience. Mary David is captivating by her many talents and her physical beauty. I think she has 
a great advantage because I can imagine younger girls aspiring to be like her. She in turn, 
educates the younger generation, and allows people to talk freely about her mission.  

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�Another interview I learned from was Nancy Davis Lewis’. Although the interview “went 
wrong in every way possible,” I found this to be helpful for future interviews. I learned that the 
group has timing issues, as the interview was held on daylight savings. Apparently, Hawaii does 
not follow daylight savings, so it made using Adobe connect awkward because the scheduled 
time that the group agreed on, wasn’t mutual because of this technicality. Looking back, our 
group didn’t ask if Ms. Chou was in the Eastern time zone, so this problem could have happened 
to us, but luckily did not. This is something I will definitely make sure to clarify if I conduct an 
interview via Adobe Connect again! 
 

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�The mission of Ambassador Julia Chang Bloch can be seen throughout her career. She
has broken down many barriers. More specifically with her current position as
President of the U.S. Education trust, she has been focusing on breaking down the
barriers between China and the United States; in order so that these two countries
can better understand each other. Being the first of Asian origin to become
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prove others wrong can take you very far. Woman are going far and making enormous
contributions to global issues today. The women of today, such as Julia Chang Block
have set the bar for women of future generations.

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�The questions we asked Julia Chang Bloch were created around what basic
information we knew about her from both Professor Christoff and our own
independent research. In preparing our key questions we knew that what and how
we asked them would influence the type of information we would be able to get from
the interview. Our objective was to learn as much as we could about the
accomplishments of Julia Chang Bloch in the half hour we had to spend with on her
Adobe Connect. The interview was held at 4:30pm on November 10 th.
We knew that Ms. Bloch was born in China and at the age of nine years old moved
with her family to the United States. We started out by asking her about moving to a
new country at a young age. We wanted to know what were the reasons for her
move from China to the United States and what it was like as a young girl to move to
another country. Ms. Bloch explained to us that it was an exciting time in her life. She
stated that since she was a young girl at the time, it was her parent’s decision to
move. Her father was not only a Harvard graduate, but the first Asian Graduate, and
he had many friends in America that wanted him to move to the United States. She
spoke about her childhood and stated that back in China she never went outside; she
went from home to school and back home. Her Amah (her nanny) would drive her to
and from school, she even said it was almost as if her feet never touched the ground!
She was brought from one place to the next and really had no free time to play
outside. She stated that girls of her generation did not go outside in China. Once she
came to the United States she did not have an Amah and her parents were both

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�working. She said that her and her brother got to play outside all the time and that
even as a girl she felt free in the United States.
We asked Ms. Bloch about her time in the Peace Corp and wanted to know what it
was like and what exactly was her driving force. We wanted to know about what
inspired her. Ms. Bloch’s explanation in turn inspired us. She explained that her father
had always told her that when your country does so much for you you have to give
back to your country. His thinking was similar to that of another great man- John F.
Kennedy. Ms. Bloch explained that it was the assassination of John F. Kennedy that
was her driving force in joining the Peace Corp. As our previous slide showed, John F.
Kennedy is famous for his quote, “Ask not what your country can do for you but what
you can do for your country.” John F. Kennedy established the Peace Corp in the
1960’s and it was Ms. Bloch’s mission to be a part of it. These questions opened up
quite a dialogue for our interview. She explained that in her time many young people
were involved in social programs and that today it saddens her that the same thing is
not so. She would love to see young people more involved. We talked about our class
and she was very interested to hear about all that we had studied. We moved onto
the US-China education trust and her passion behind it. With active listening we
learned that it is her goal to keep the relationship between the United States and
China a good one. Both countries are tremendous super powers and in saying that
need to stay on each other’s good sides. She was very clear on explaining why it is
necessary and that if her two countries did not get along it would not be a good
thing. She believes that with programs such as the U.S.-China education trust that a
good relationship between the two countries can continue and that the United States
can continue to keep the peace.
Julia Chang Bloch explained to us that she has broken barriers all of her life. One of
the best parts of the interview was when she told us the story about a little girl in
Nepal. Ms. Bloch was appointed to Ambassador of Nepal by George H.W. Bush in
1989. Upon her welcoming visit to Nepal there was a little girl near her who was
talking to her father. Within earshot of Ms. Bloch the little girl asked, “where is the
American ambassador I want to see her.” To which her father replied and pointed
that is her right there. The little girl then said, “ But she looks just like me.” Things like
these are what has made all of her challenges worth it. Julia Chang Bloch prides
herself on being able to represent her country well and at the same time being able
to put herself in the shoes of others. She explained that when someone told her she
wouldn’t be able to do something or couldn’t do something it was what made her
push even harder. She was a wonderful interviewee and we really did enjoy
interviewing her.

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                    <text>Melissa Kelly
Maria Marrero
Stephanie Paguay

Section 1
On November 3rd, 2015 we sat down to interview Julia Chang Bloch. The three
of us were students in Women in U.S.-Asian relations and we were very interested in
hearing more about the endeavors of this woman. The little we knew of her was told to us
by Professor Christoff and was found by basic Google searches. Presently the founder of
the U.S.-China education Trust, Ms. Bloch has held many titles in her life, including but
not limited to, Ambassador of Nepal. The interview took place at 4:30pm via Adobe
Connect, in a conference room in the Humanities Building at Stony Brook University.
The interview lasted approximately thirty minutes. Our objective was to better understand
the life, endeavors and challenges of Julia Chang Bloch and to learn about her career path
and about the ways that women have contributed to U.S.-Asian relations.
Section 2
We prepared for our interview by first going on to the open web and searching for
Ms. Bloch’s name. We sorted through a numerous amount of material and photos on Ms.
Bloch. This material allowed us to learn more about Ms. Bloch prior to our
interview. She is a woman that has done so much in her lifetime and there are many
things to read about her. We needed to come up with some good questions and this gave
us an idea as to what kind of questions to ask her. After working together in and out of
class we gathered our questions and ran them by Professor Christoff for her guidance.
Some of the questions we asked were as follows:

�1. What were the reasons you and/or your family left China for the U.S?
2. What inspired you to join the Peace Corps? How would you describe your
experience volunteering and did this establish your drive to continue working in
civil service?
3. Can you tell us a little bit about your experiences as the U.S. ambassador to
Nepal?
4. What were your driving forces in your career and what inspired you?
5. What is your vision for the U.S. China Education Trust?

We were provided the email of Ms. Laurie Size, the executive secretary for Julia
Chang Bloch. We sent her an email requesting the opportunity to interview Ms. Bloch.
We requested that she forward this request along to Ms. Bloch. This is the
correspondence that was sent on October 21, 2015.

Dear Ambassador Bloch,
Under the direction of Professor Peggy Christoff, we are writing to request an
interview with you. We, Stephanie Paguay, Melissa Kelly and Maria Marrero, are
students at Stony Brook University and taking a course titled, “Women in US-Asian
Relations.” Our majors are Psychology, with a concentration in Sociology; Business,
with a concentration in Accounting and Multidisciplinary Studies with concentrations in
Health Science and History. We are very interested in talking with you about your career
path and contributions to US-Asian relations.
Thus far in our coursework, we have conducted library research on women who
historically have made a variety of contributions to US-Asian relations, including

�missionaries, educators, artists, and film-makers (Isabella Thoburn, Jade Snow Wong,
Ida Pruitt, Harriet Newell, Gertrude Howe and Gail Dolgin.) We are excited to learn
first-hand about your visionary work and share it with our classmates. We understand
that you earned a Masters degree from Harvard University and went on to become not
only an ambassador to Nepal but also the first ambassador of Asian descent. What an
admirable feat!
We would like to set up a video conferencing appointment with you, hopefully,
before you leave the country in November. If this is not possible, we could do it after
Thanksgiving. Our University uses Adobe connect, which is similar to Skype. As we are
developing our interview questions, we also wondered if you have information that you
would like to share with us prior to the interview.
We are honored to learn from you. If there are any specific times that you are
available, please let us know. Thank you in advance for this opportunity.

Maria Marrero
Melissa Kelly
Stephanie Paguay

Laurie got back to us very promptly. She advised that Ms. Bloch was available on
November 3rd, 2015 at 4:30pm. This worked great for all three of us on the interviewing
end because our schedules are all a little hectic and this is the time of day we were hoping
for. After securing this date and time we revisited our questions in preparation for our
interview. The questions were then mailed to Laurie Size. She was very helpful in getting
our questions along to Ms. Bloch so that she would understand in advance what the basis

�of our interview would be. This would also help speed along the interview process
because we had limited time with her via Adobe Connect. This is the email that was sent
at that time.
Good Morning Laurie,
These are some of the questions we would like to ask ambassador Bloch in our
conference tomorrow:
1. What were the reasons you and/or your family left China for the U.S.?
2. What inspired you to join the Peace Corps? How would you describe your
experience volunteering and did this establish your drive to continue working in
the civil service?
3. Can you tell us a little bit about your experiences as the US ambassador to
Nepal?
4. What were your driving forces in your career and what inspired you?
5. What is your vision for the US-China Education Trust?
We would like to just send this ahead of time so that she has an idea of what we
are interested in learning and also, since we won’t have a lot of time, this would help
speed things up.
Thanks a lot.
Maria, Melissa &amp; Stephanie

Section 3
1) We were able to get complete answers to all of our questions. The first question
we asked really opened up a dialogue between the four of us. Ms. Bloch gave us a little
bit more background of her father, being the first Harvard graduate of Asian descent, he

�had many friends in the U.S. and several of them were telling him that he should move
here. She also explained that it was a time when China was in turmoil and the decision
was made by her parents to bring their family to the United States. It was nice talking to
her and seeing her reflect and reminisce about what it was like when she moved here at
the age of nine. Although a young girl at the time, she was old enough to remember her
first moments living in the United States.
When the second question was asked, she actually corrected our question and said
that she works in public service and not civil service. She then continued to explain to us
what her public service was and this only helped us to better understand her vast career
going forward in the interview.
2) We feel as though our interview was done in a mixed format because even
though we had a set of questions, some of the answers provided by Ms. Bloch would lead
to other topics. For instance, when we asked Ms. Bloch about her childhood and if it was
hard to come to America she told us a little story on how her life actually changed (for
the better) and how freeing it was for her to not have to be with her Amah (her Nanny) all
the time. She also told us the story about a little girl who was eager to meet the
Ambassador of Nepal but was shocked when she saw that she (Ms. Bloch) looked just
like her. A great cue that we picked up on this was how excited Ms. Bloch gets when
reminiscing about her childhood and it was easy to see that she was enjoying the
interview because she was giving us a lot of positive non-verbal cues, such as smiling
often, getting excited about answering some of the questions and nodding her head.
Listening to her was very interesting and we spent a lot of time writing down as much as

�we could. We wanted to get as much as we could from this experience and the time spent
conversing with her.
3) When Ms. Bloch told us some of the interesting things that happened to her as
an ambassador (such as the incident with the little girl) we asked some of the probing
questions to get a more in depth understanding of how this took place. Rather than being
bothered or offended by how she was perceived by that little girl, we got the feeling that
Ms. Bloch was actually proud of that moment in her life because she had a big smile on
her face and her eyes lit up.
4) We approached the interview with a plan but it changed as the interview got
started. The plan was that Melissa was going to ask all the questions and Stephanie and
Maria would take notes but we got so engaged in the interview and we all took notes and
asked questions although Melissa asked the majority of them.
5) Ms. Bloch did not give us any documents or follow up references but she did
however, give us great advice. That advice was to use the momentum or the ‘don’t’s or
cant’s’ of other people as a driving force to push us farther.

Section 4
While all intently listening we tried to take as many notes as possible. We did not
want to appear disengaged and although we needed to jot down what was being said we
also knew that we would have the interview recorded to refer back to later. We took this
time to listen intently and be fully engaged in the time we had to spend with Julia Chang
Bloch.
The notes we did take were pretty straightforward. Ms. Bloch advised us a lot
about her childhood in China; that she was constantly looked after and cared for- almost

�to the point where it was cumbersome; she never had any time to herself or time to play
or go outside; she explained to us that girls of her generation did not go outside to “play”;
they went to home and school only. When she was nine and her family left China, the
decision was made solely by her parents. This decision was based in part by the signs of
the times because of the turmoil that China was in and also based on the fact that her
father had just finished his education in the United States at Harvard and he had many
contacts and friends here who suggested that it may be the time to leave China for the
United States. Ms. Bloch explained that when first living in the United States she now
had the opportunity to be a kid- she had time and she had freedom to play outside- and
she loved it! As we wrote down as much as we could Ms. Bloch fondly reminisced about
her time as a young girl in the United States; she felt free coming to the United States
versus living in China; she didn’t have a nanny here and her mother and father were
working a lot; we then asked her what her mother did for work and she started talking
about that- saying that he mother did various work- she was a cocktail waitress who then
years later owned her own business.
There was a large part of the interview where we discussed the assassination of
JFK. Talking about this even today you can see that it really strikes a cord with Julia. She
kept referring to herself as an old lady, I do not think that she thought that we were old
enough to understand the impact of this loss to our nation. Although we may not have
been around when it occurred it is something that we definitely know of and have learned
in history classes. However, to speak with someone who was of college age when it
happened we realized what an effect this had on her. This was the driving force in Ms.
Bloch joining the Peace Corps. She expressed her concern about today’s youth and how

�she feels that not enough young people are involved in their government; more young
people need to be involved and care about what goes on in their country; she then
explained about her time as ambassador and as previously discussed her story about the
young girl in Nepal; she talked about how she has filled positions that men may have
previously filled and no matter how people looked at her she had a point to prove to show
that she could get the job done and that if someone said otherwise this would only make
her work that much harder; she spoke about the U.S.-China education trust and how
important education is; how important keeping a good relationship between the U.S. and
China is; we advised her that Stony Brook has a very high Asian population and we
discussed the exchange programs Stony Brook University offered; she was intrigued by
this and we listed the countries that the students were from; we advised that in our class
there are several students from Asia.

Section 5
While conducting our interview with Ms. Bloch we discovered various
information especially what drove her to be successful in her career. Although we
followed our format with questions when interviewing Ms. Bloch there was of course
new questions that we felt we had to ask and wanted know. Specifically, when she was
appointed as Ambassador to Nepal, we wanted to know if she faced any criticism or
difficult time working with colleagues.
Her response to us was that she did not necessarily face criticism, but she was
looked at as someone who was not fit for the job. Being a small woman in a room with
tall, grown men she often received attitude from others that made her believe that they

�did not believe in her and her capabilities. Ms. Bloch told us that whenever she faced a
situation like that she picked her head up high and showed them that she could in fact do
her job and do it well. She explained to us that throughout her life she has been breaking
barriers and that is what has made her successful. Her prime mission in her career is to
break the barrier between China and the United States. As president of the U.S.- China
Education Trust, Ms. Bloch’s primary focus is to strengthen American Studies in China
and vice versa. She focuses on this because she feels that these two countries can become
educated on one another and form a strong relationship. Ms. Bloch expressed to us how
very important this is.
Something that we took away from the interview that was incredibly meaningful
was how she expressed such autonomy. As young women starting our careers it was very
insightful to see such a successful woman succeed so far in her life. So many times
throughout her career she was able to prove to those that did not necessarily believe in
her that she was able to do whatever she set out to do. Having a supportive father and
family it also pushed her to achieve such great accomplishments.
Another part of the interview that we will take away is the story she told us about
her first trip to Nepal after becoming ambassador. This was one of the best parts of the
interview. Ms. Bloch was appointed to be the Ambassador of Nepal by George H.W.
Bush in 1989. Upon her welcoming visit to Nepal there was a little girl near her who was
talking to her father. Within earshot of Ms. Bloch the little girl asked, “Where is the
American ambassador? I want to see her.” To which her father replied and pointed that is
her right there. The little girl then said,
“ But she looks just like me.”

�The only thing that comes to mind when thinking about what else we want to
know about Ms. Bloch is where does she go from here? She has accomplished so much in
her life and she is such a role model for students like us. Does she plan to retire anytime
soon? Does she want to continue living in Washington, D.C. or will she retire somewhere
else? Will that be in the United States or outside of the United States? Does she have
family in China still that she keeps in touch with? Would she ever consider living in
China again?
These are just several questions that come to mind when thinking about what else
we would ask Ms. Bloch if given the time to interview her again. She was such a pleasure
to talk to and if time allowed we could see ourselves talking much longer than we did.
Along with presenting in class all of the information we learned about Julia
Chang Bloch, we also had the opportunity to listen to several other presentations. These
presentations were all based on women somehow involved in U.S. Asian relations. These
women have really made an impact on not only society but on our class as you can see in
the presentations that were put together.
Day one the first presentation was about Jennifer Cho from Radio Free Asia, a
journalist. In the beginning of the presentation it was said that her parents emphasized the
importance of education. We couldn’t help but think about Julia Chang Bloch’s father
who also stressed the importance of education. Both women upheld these values
expressed by their parents and obtained various degrees. Chou’s first job was at Voice of
America- the official external broadcast institution of the United States federal
government. She worked in human rights and in recognizing human rights violations. For
Melissa and Stephanie hearing about Chou’s experience working with people against

�China’s one child policy educated us even more on the subject we have been learning
about in another one of our classes this semester. It was interesting to tie the two classes
together and see a woman working toward a woman’s right to bodily autonomy.
Day two of presentations we learned about Mary David. She works in the field of
human rights and human trafficking. Maria and Melissa were in a group project
previously in class where we read and learned about Malaysia and the issues faced there
with human rights and human trafficking. It was a good tie in for this class to learn more
about this woman who is directly involved in it. She is currently working in Baltimore,
Maryland with criminal prosecution in regards to human trafficking. It was interesting to
learn about her method of educating youth on human trafficking. She is involved in
beauty pageants and the arts and this is the platform she uses to obtain speaking
engagements. It is here that she is able to combine her interests and put it towards a good
cause and the greater good by educating others on major issues. With all of the paths she
has been on she is able to educate others who may have no idea that this goes on.
The third day of presentations we learned about Carol Hamrin. She too works
with interests of human rights. The presenters explained that she could be compared to
women missionaries that we learned about in class, however it was not her goal to spread
one religion but to spread the view and understanding of the right to religious freedom for
all people. Carol Hamrin stated that she sees things differently because she is a woman;
that people in her field may not see what she sees as far as really understanding the
culture and society of the Chinese people. The presenters explained how she was very
passionate in discussing how they should continue towards their goals and work hard and
not let someone talk them out of what they want to do or accomplish. This reminded us of

�Julia Chang Bloch’s words- that we must continue to work hard despite what others may
say or think.
We realized after listening to the other interviews how lucky we were that our
interview went so smoothly. Many of our classmates had scheduling issues and
connectivity issues. We did not face any of this but it was easy to understand how this
could just as easily have happened to us. The women interviewed were very gracious to
all of us in allowing us their time. They are figureheads in their field and just allowing us
a little bit of their time was a humbling experience.
We really learned a lot from Julia Chang Bloch and also all of the other
interviewees that we heard about in class. Many women, just like Julia Chang Bloch, are
consistently working towards breaking barriers -- for women or human rights in general.
It is these women who continue to make us have a hope for the future. They continue to
work towards a common goal for a greater good of men, women and children.

This is the email that is being sent to Julia Chang Bloch to thank her for her time
and her consideration.

Dear Ms. Bloch,
We wanted to take a few minutes to thank you for taking the time to speak with us
on November 3, 2015 and allowing us to interview you.
We sincerely appreciate the opportunity and are so grateful for the time you took
to spend with us. Your answers were wonderful and we enjoyed learning about your life.
Thank you so very much for your willingness to help us accomplish our project. We have
enclosed our presentation and paper for your review. We hope that you will enjoy

�reading this. You have truly made an impact on not only U.S.-Asian Relations but also on
the three of us.

Again thank you so much for your time and your consideration.

Sincerely,
Maria, Melissa and Stephanie

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                    <text>Emely Liranzo
Victoria Jaramillo
Alyssa Shevlin
Dr. Latha Chandran Interview

(Section 1)
Person interviewed: Dr. Latha Chandran
Interviewee’s title or position: Pediatrician, chief of residents at Stony brook University
Hospital, and undergraduate medical educator.
Date, time, and length of interview: This interview was conducted on November 5th at
approximately 3:00 pm. This interview lasted for about 40 minutes.
Your objective in conducting this interview: It was centered on the obstacles that Dr.
Chandran faced while being here in the United States.
(Section 2)
Description of the pre-interview research (What did you find out prior to the interview
about the person and/or place with which she is affiliated? How did you prepare for the
interview?)
We searched for Dr. Latha Chandran in Google, and we found out that she is a pediatrician in
East Setauket, New York and is affiliated with Stony Brook University Hospital. She received
her medical degree from University of Kerala Medical College and has been in practice for 31
years. She is one of 108 doctors at Stony Brook University Hospital who specialize in Pediatrics.
Dr. Chandran has many publications in which she emphasize mostly in medical education,
disease in children, and programs for youth. She is an outstanding physician with honors and
recognition for most of the achievements she has made. We prepared our questions for the

�interview based on the research we did, mostly using her publications as a source. We asked her
about her background and personal experiences since she moved to the United States.
List your interview questions.
1.

Where did you grow up?

2.

What occupations did your parents and siblings pursue?

3.

Did you ever consider a career other than medicine? (Please explain.)

4.

What were your reasons for moving to the United States? And how did you learn the

language?
5.

What inspired you to specialize in pediatrics?

6.

What were your reasons for developing an expertise in contraception, diaper rash, genital

warts and pneumonia?
7.

What personal and professional goals matter the most to you?

8. We noticed that you have many publications and even won two awards (Bridges to
Excellence Recognition and NCQA Physician Practice Connections). How did you manage to
achieve so much in your career?
9.

Did you face any particular hardships while you were pursuing your career in medicine?

10. Was it difficult to be a woman in medical school? (Why or why not?)
11. What advice would you give us as we pursue a career in medicine?
(Section 3)
1.

Did you get complete answers to your questions? Explain

At the time Dr. Chandran was answering our question, she always answered what we asked her
with details of her past experiences, always bringing more details to answer our questions. When
we asked her: “what inspired you to specialize in pediatrics?” her answers were not

�straightforward, she started with her past experiences when she was in University of Kerala
where she specialized in gynecology, then when she moved to the United States to do her
residency it was difficult and full of challenges because she didn’t go to a medical school in the
US. With some influence she was accepted into Stony Brook University Hospital where she did
her residency in pediatrics.
2.

Was your interview structured, unstructured, or mixed? Explain

Our interview was mixed, but mostly unstructured. We followed the sequence of the questions
we prepared, but flexible in asking open questions as Dr. Chandran was responding. This
allowed us to get more deep information and understanding in what she was saying. Like when
we asked her: “What were your reasons to come to the United States?” she responded that she
moved because an arranged marriage where his husband was living in the U.S. something that
was part of her culture. With this information we asked her more in depth and personal questions
based on her arranged marriage, like what her parents were expecting, and if that was what she
wanted. We were flexible in developing new questions that weren’t in our list.
3.

What probing questions did you use? Explain

One of our probing questions was: “What did you mean by cultural shock?”, she answered that
in India doctors are held in respect. They don’t communicate if the patient has cancer for
example or if the family request it. Here in the United States things are different, nurses yell at
doctors saying that they are the worst in the area, where in India there’s more respect. This is
what she meant by cultural shock.
4.

Explain your team approach. That is, who did what?

Each person in our group asked mostly the same amount of questions from our list. We also
approached to her differently in terms of open questions in our interview. Our focus was to know

�more about her and get to the deepest responses from her. This interview was conducted like a
mixed structure interview because we tended to stick to our questions, yet go off track enough
for Dr. Chandran to have the opportunity to say what she needed to.
5.

Did the interviewee give you any documents or references to articles to read, or did

she mention other people for you to talk to (or research)? Explain
Dr. Chandran didn’t provide or suggested us any document or mention people to follow up, but
she focused more in giving us awesome advice like, “Whatever you do, be the best”, “In life you
have to take some risk and be prepared to fail”, “If you do your best people will notice you”,
“Follow what your heart tells you to do, because if you do then it’s a journey”. This advice was
strong and significant to us, as we want to pursue a career in medicine.
(Section 4)
Insert your interview notes/write up here. Remember to be accurate and concise.
Consider what was said, any emerging trends your interviewee mentioned, different
interpretations, and recommendations for follow up interviews.
Interview Notes:
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Born in Kerala, India (which is the most southern part).

-

Mother was a housewife, father had a degree in law but is a banker, brother has an
engineering degree and sister is in higher education.

-

Went to an all-women’s college

-

Language was not an issue -- India is a British colony, so English is taught

-

The mother wanted a child that was a doctor. The brother was ultimately the chosen one
but he didn’t want to be a doctor, so Dr. Chandran decided that since she was good at
school she might as well go for it.

�-

She was the youngest in medical school at the University of Kerala.

-

She came over to the United States at 17 for an arranged marriage. “Although it was an
arranged marriage, it doesn’t mean it was a forced marriage” (Dr. Chandran).

-

She realized he was good to his family so she knew that they would be the perfect match
since she is a family person.

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Applied to Stony Brook residency three times but got denied every time.

-

She wanted to work at Stony Brook because it was convenient (close to house and
children, only had one car).

-

After getting a residency program at Lincoln Memorial Medical Center in New York
City, a fellow employee saw what she was capable of and recommended her to Stony
Brook, where she finally got accepted.

-

After being there for three months, she was asked to be chief resident, where she finally
resigned because of the stress. (Made work schedules for employees, dealt with
paperwork, etc.)

-

She DOES NOT specialize in genital warts, diaper rash, etc. She does specialize in
pediatrics and adolescent health though. When she was in India she had a lot of
experience in gynecology.

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Wanted to be invisible throughout her residency

-

She has won numerous awards for her work

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Works for undergraduate medical education at Stony Brook University

Recommendations: Our interview went exactly like we pictured it would go. We had a mixed
structure interview, so we had both prescribed questions and open ended. We gave Dr. Chandran
the opportunity to say what she needed to and go off on tangents about topics that she thought

�was important. It was a comfortable environment and we felt like she was one of us. We
recommend for follow up interviews to be honest and understanding. If you disagree with what
the individual who you are interviewing has to say, tell them, it will open up a new conversation.
Also, elaborate on what they say. If there is a topic that sounds interesting to you, ask them more
about it. Another recommendation is to make sure to do research about the person you are
interviewing prior to the interview, it will give you more to talk about and help you understand
what they are saying. Listening is also a key recommendation when conducting an interview. A
final recommendation would be ask what you don’t know. When asking what you don’t know it
makes you seem like you are interested in what the individual has to say, along with learning
something that you didn’t already know. This also opens up to new conversations and it makes it
much more personal.

Different Interpretations: When conducting this particular interview with Dr. Chandran we didn’t
really have any problems interpreting what she had to say. She very clear on all the information
that she had provided us with. Although the information was clear for the most part, there was
one detail that was confusing. Dr. Chandran stated within her interview that she had traveled to
the United States at 17 years old for her arranged marriage. Traveling to the U.S at 17 is
possible, but she also stated that she had obtained her medical degree by then. In the U.S it is
almost impossible to have completed medical school at 17, but we aren’t aware of how the
education system works in India. After reviewing the audio recording, we noticed this, so it was
not addressed within the interview. We left out this information while presenting because we
didn’t want to give false information, so we stated that she traveled to the U.S “at a young age.”
Overall, we were able to clearly interpret the information that Dr. Chandran had provided for us.

Commented [CL1]: The confusion of the students
regarding when I moved to the US is clear in this
paragraph.

�Trends: When conducting this interview, there were numerous trends that were brought up. Dr.
Chandran made it clear that one way to be successful is by never giving up. The idea of never
giving up was constantly brought up throughout the interview. She used personal stories to make
more relatable for us to comprehend. For instance, her experience of applying for a residency
program showed how determined she was to be a doctor. Although she got denied several times,
she never gave up. Another trend that was often seen throughout this interview was to make sure
you pick a career that you love. She made it clear that having a career that makes a lot of money
isn’t worth not being happy. “A job that makes $750,000 where you aren’t happy doesn’t
compare to a job that you love where you are making $75,000” (Dr. Chandran).
(Section 5)
Your analysis: What aspects of the interview did you find to be particularly meaningful?
One of the aspects of the interview that was meaningful to us, was how Dr. Chandran used her
perspective and experiences, like applying to Stony Brook Hospital, to show us how people have
to persevere. She applied to Stony Brook University Hospital to do her residency program, but
she was rejected three times every year. She began applying elsewhere even though it was
inconvenient, she eventually got accepted into a residency program at Lincoln Medical Center in
New York City. When she started her residency there, she got some connections who made
Stony Brook to take her in consideration. When they called her for the interview, Dr. Chandran
was pregnant, which was a disadvantage for her because of domestic responsibilities. They asked
her what was she capable of, she reply: “Once I come here I can show what I am capable of”,
and that was the attitude they liked. She was finally accepted and then they offered her a position
where she was asked to be chief resident after only being there for three months.
What aspects were not useful?

�One of our questions was: “What were your reasons for developing an expertise in contraception,
diaper rash, genital warts and pneumonia?” Dr. Chandran was a little impressed with this
question, and she asked us where we got that question from. We told her that we did a little
research about her and we found this information. She just laughed and said that she did her
expertise in pediatric. In terms of diaper rash, genital warts, and pneumonia she is not in that
area, but is something that she doesn't feel uncomfortable with.
What more would you like to know?
When interviewing Dr. Chandran, there wasn’t a lot of information about her contributions to
U.S- Asian relations. Although she talked about her upbringings in India, she didn’t discuss what
she had done to help both India and America. When doing research on her, information about her
life other than her career wasn’t really provided. We understand that she has had many
successes, such as awards, but during the interview she didn’t touch upon if any of these awards
were related to U.S-Asian contributions. Personally if we were to re-interview her, I believe we
would ask more questions focusing on her background in India rather than her career.
What other in-class presentations did you find particularly useful? Explain
Although all of the in-class presentations were well conducted and helpful, there were some that
stood out upon the rest. For instance, the presentation on Ambassador Julia Chang Bloch that
Melissa, Maria and Stephanie presented was extremely helpful because it provided us with both
an insight on her personal life and her career. They began the presentation with a detailed
biography of Ambassador Bloch. They started it by telling us about her upbringing in Chefoo
(now Yantai) China and her family life. They then continued their presentation by including
details about how she got started in her career. One detail that stood out was why she decided to
join the Peace Corps. Bloch ultimately joined the Peace Corp as a result of John F. Kennedy’s

�assassination. She felt like he dedicated so much time to his country and that she should do the
same. “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” (John
F. Kennedy). This was a quote that Ambassador Bloch often lived by. Growing up her father
constantly reminded her she needs to dedicate time to her country, because it has done so much
for her. During this presentation, we enjoyed the personal stories that were described between the
interviewers and Ambassador Bloch. By including personal stories, it made the interview more
personal and relatable, which was seen during the presentation. This presentation was also very
well organized. They were well prepared and knew exactly what to say during both the
presentation and audio clip. Having a well prepared presentation makes it much easier for their
listeners to comprehend the material, rather than going back and forth. Another presentation that
was particularly useful was the one about Jennifer Chou and her career with Radio Free Asia.
This presentation was extremely useful because it primarily focused on her contributions to U.SAsian relations. They began their presentations much like the other groups and discussed her
upbringings within Taiwan. Chou was an only child and had a normal upbringing. She pursued
an education at UCLA in Massachusetts. Her family would often watch the news, which
eventually gave her an interest in journalism. Her mother wanted her to be a career woman
because her mother was never able to. Learning this detail about her life was crucial because it
described the relationship between children and parents within Asia. Majority of the time here in
the United States we pick career paths based on our own interests, not because of what your
parents want you to do (although this is true in some cases). One important detail that was
described within this presentation was that Jennifer Chou didn’t experience any “culture shock”
when she came to the United States. This was important because this was a major topic that was
discussed within this course. By discussing the idea of culture shock, they included their in-class

�knowledge into their interview, which demonstrated their understanding in the course. We also
enjoyed the fact that they emphasized their presentation on how it was to be a woman within this
field of work. This was significant because this course is focused on women and their
contributions within U.S-Asian relations, which is exactly what Jennifer Chou had accomplished.
They discussed how Chou often was discriminated against because she was a woman, but that
didn’t seem to stop her. Her main focus within her career is looking at human right issues that
are associated with women and what she can do to fix them. This presentation was extremely
beneficial because it gave us an understanding of what this course was really about. It opened up
our eyes to how powerful women’s contributions can be to not only the country that they are
focused on, but others that are also in need.

Publisher’s note (3/16/2017)
The following are corrections made by the interviewee after reviewing the student report of
the interview. The corrections correlate to the phrases highlighted in yellow in the student
report above:
Latha Chandran’s corrections to the Student Interview AAS 2015 report
(submitted 3/15/17)
Interviewee’s title or position: Vice Dean for Undergraduate Medical Education,
Professor of Pediatrics and Board Certified General Pediatrician
Section 2: In 2015 I was in practice for 23 years (not 31)
Section 3: She completed her residency at Stony Brook University Hospital after having
started it at Lincoln Hospital (there was no “influence,” etc.)
Question 3: Here in the United States, patients have more say in their care. I have
personally been yelled at by nurses during my intern years, whereas in India there is
more respect.

�Section 4: She started medical school at 18, got married at 25 and came over to the US
with a green card at 27 years of age. She would not have come to the US if it weren’t for
her marriage.
Section 4: After being at Stony Brook for three months as a senior resident she was
offered the position of a fourth year chief residency which she successfully completed
(there was no resignation of any kind).
Section 4: Wanted to be invisible throughout her medical school in India due to fear of
hazing (not residency).
Section 5: ….but she was rejected three times. Delete every year.
Section 5: She just laughed and said that as a general pediatrician she has some
expertise in all common problems that affect children, but she was not a super expert
like a subspecialist.

2017 Update
Dr Latha Chandran as of 2017, is the Miriam and David Donoho Distinguished Teaching
Professor and the Founding Director of the Donoho Academy of Clinical and
Educational Scholars. She currently serves as the Vice Dean for Academic and Faculty
Affairs at Stony Brook School of Medicine. In 2016, Dr Chandran was named a SUNY
Distinguished Teaching Professor and subsequently inducted into the SUNY
Distinguished Academy.

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This interview was conducted like a mixed structured interview. There were both
prescribed and flexible questions that were asked and Dr. Chandran provided us with
her own opinions. She was extremely enthusiastic and grateful to be interviewed for
our final project.
Publisher’s note (3/16/2017)
The following document is the same as above, but with corrections made by the
interviewee, Dr. Latha Chandran, in red.

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her own opinions. She was extremely enthusiastic and grateful to be interviewed for
our final project.

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20 year span before coming back to the States to become a professor in the Naval
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beauty in the literatures that she was encountering while studying the ancient
language. Clarissa was kind enough to give us a brief lesson on the Arabic language
and notified us about how it was being used by young people during her time in
Egypt and even went as far as to compare Arabic poetry in Egypt to Hip-Hop in
American culture. Clarissa was also able to give us some insight about women’s
roles in the Arab world. It turns out that there are tremendously different
situations regarding women’s roles that differ from country to country, or
sometimes even within a single country. Clarissa has watched these things change
radically in Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco throughout her career. The extent of
women’s involvement has gone up and down with the fortunes in the Egyptian
political system. There is a feminist consciousness in the Arab world which gets
articulated differently from country to country. Since the revolution, Muslim

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�brotherhood backlash and hostility towards women on the streets has been a
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murder goes to show the severity of these issues in the Arab world. On a brighter
side, although there are serious problems in the Arab world, women are interested
in creating opportunities for other women and in making society better for women
and girls. While between 25 and 50 percent of young women cannot find jobs in
the Arab world, women created an NGO that had very successfully given them
pathways into careers. With some extremist groups that have the desire to push
women back to a position of powerlessness and domestic seclusion still present in
the Arab world, there are still women and men actively finding ways to participate
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AAS 307 - Final Paper

Section 1:

Person interviewed: Clarissa Burt
Interviewee’s title or position: Associate Professor of Arabic Language, Literature and
Culture at the United States Naval Academy
Date, time and length of interview: November 10th, 7:00 pm, 45 minutes
Your objective in conducting the interview: To learn about the career and goals of
Associate Professor, Clarissa Burt

Section 2: Description of the pre-interview research (What did you find out prior
to the interview about the person and/or place with which she is affiliated? How
did you prepare for the interview?) List your interview questions.

For our pre-interview research, we decided to Google our interviewee. The
person that we found online was an actress and model. Before conducting any further
research, we asked Professor Christoff if this was indeed the correct woman. It turned
out that it was a different woman, so we were fortunate to catch this early on.
Christopher conducted most of the communication between our group and Clarissa
Burt, including initially contacting her about the interview, scheduling a time for the
interview, and getting information from Clarissa. We were also given information by our

�professor as a part of our research. We learned facts such as Clarissa being a
professor at the US Naval Academy, her living in the Arabic world for over 10 years in a
20 year span, and about her interest in Arabic culture and literature. It was from this
information that we were able to construct questions as a group for the interview. The
group discussed and proposed each question, and organized them in an order that we
found appropriate in regards to a chronological perspective. Each member had a printed
out list of the questions we intended to ask Clarissa during the interview. These are
some of the questions that we asked: What interested you into studying Arabic? What is
it about Arabic literature that makes it stand out to you (as opposed to other types of
literatures)? Do you plan to return to the Arabic world? What interested into becoming a
professor? What kinds of responses have you gotten from your students? What is a
current project of yours?

Section 3: Answer these questions:
1.

Did you get complete answers to your questions? Explain

2.

Was your interview structured, unstructured, or mixed? Explain

3.

What probing questions did you use? Explain

4.

Explain your team approach. That is, who did what?

5.

Did the interviewee give you any documents or references to articles to read, or

did she mention other people for you to talk to (or research)? Explain

Throughout the interview, Clarissa gave us vastly complete and elaborative
answers to our questions. In fact, she would often answer the next couple of questions

�we had set up before we could even ask them. It made sense that would answer the
next questions that we had, as our list of questions was what we found to be
chronological. For every question asked, she left us well informed on that specific topic
and mentioned only information that was relevant to that topic. For example, when
asked about what interested her into Arabic, she included every important point leading
up to her ultimate decision, including what she was studying previously and what
interested her in general.
We consider that our interview was mixed, leaning more towards a structured
format. Our group planned to follow the list of questions we had printed out, but at the
same time, ask probing questions when appropriate in order to engage in somewhat of
a “small talk” conversation. An example of a probing question that we used was when
she told us about what interested her in Arabic literature, she mentioned the beauties
specific to it. We asked her what exactly it was about the literature that made it so
special, and sure enough she gave us a descriptive and immersive answer. She
explained that she was hooked on the works of ancient Arabics like nomadic
pastoralists and traders who lived such unique lives, and even by the ways young Arabs
use literature as a means of establishing themselves and calling for change.
Christopher conducted the communication between the group and Clarissa.
From there the group worked together to construct our questions. Some notes were
taken during the interview, but we also tried to focus on the conversations we were
having with our interviewee, as we understood that we could take advantage of the
interview being recorded. Michael was our group’s moderator during the interview, that
is, he started us off and ended the event. All members participated in asking the

�questions that we had prepared as well as questions that were not printed out that came
as responses to Clarissa’s answers.
Professor Burt did in fact give us some poets to look into. As a part of one of her
answers, she mentioned Wadih Saadeh who now lives in Australia and whose work is
documented on the Internet (many of which are translated by Professor Burt). At the
end of the interview, Clarissa was apologetic in her current project not being womancentered and gave us two women poets that we could also look into online: Iman Mercal
and Farah Chammah.

Section 4: Insert your interview notes/write up here. Remember to be accurate
and concise. Consider what was said, any emerging trends your interviewee
mentioned, different interpretations, and recommendations for follow up
interviews.

Being a teacher in the field of Arabic Literature and Culture at the United States
Naval Academy for about 11 or 12 years, Clarissa formally introduced herself as
Associate Professor Clarissa Burt. Clarissa was also quick to point out that she had
lived in Cairo for about 10 years total over a 20-year span prior to starting at the Naval
Academy.
It was be hard to hide our growing interest in Clarissa’s motives for learning
Arabic (a language mostly concentrated in the Eastern Hemisphere) so we got right to
asking her why she learned Arabic in the first place. Clarissa found the question
humorous and responded with a story: Clarissa actually did not learn Arabic from the

�get-go. Clarissa had studied numerous languages in High School (and even some in
Middle School) and grew an immense interest for theology and the bible by her early
twenties. More specifically, Clarissa concentrated on Latin and German in High School
and then concentrated more on Hebrew and Greek as an undergraduate. Because of
her peers and teachers tendency to tell Clarissa that Arabic would be too hard to learn
without a prior general knowledge of the aforementioned languages, Clarissa saved
Arabic for the last (but definitely not least) language that she would learn. Clarissa was
immediately hooked on Arabic because of the beauty in the literatures she was
encountering while studying the ancient language. Besides, Clarissa could go to the
cafes in Cairo and bond with contemporary poets over the Arabic language and, well,
what could be better than that!?!
Ancient Arabic is different than other literatures and poetry because it shares a
great deal with other Semitic languages and ancient poetries. With a Ph.D. in
comparative Semitics, Clarissa is extremely knowledgeable on the subject and was able
to give us a quick rundown about Arabic. Arabic has its own unique beauties and
specificities because of the lifestyles of the Ancient Arabs who were nomadic
pastoralists in the desert and people doing trading across the Arabian Peninsula.
Clarissa was also naturally fascinated by how Arabic poetry was specifically being used
by young people during her time in Egypt. Young people used this poetry to promote
change for their generation and in society and displayed a tendency to go against what
their parents were doing. Arab culture also has much more powerful poetry than the
United States does. Poets would come to town in the Arab world and sell out giant
stadiums, much like Beyoncé would do in the United States. The final interesting fact

�about Arabic was that women’s participation in literate culture and cultural space was
much more evident in Egypt than it was in the United States during the late eighties and
early nineties. It is important to note that women in Egypt were actually playing a big
part in politics, the working world, and literature at the time. They had a voice and a
great ability to use the power of literature and poetry in order to preach their own
concerns. This has interested Clarissa all throughout the course of her career.
After hearing Clarissa rave about her experiences in Cairo and her love for the
Arab world, we asked why she came back to the States and become a professor. The
simple answer to this question is because Clarissa wanted to make a living doing what
she loved and refused to settle for anything less. Clarissa loved studying and teaching
the literature and language so much that there was no other option than for her to
become a professor. Plus, Clarissa knew that her teaching could potentially open the
doors for others to follow her footsteps into the Arab world. Clarissa has been very
fortunate to have excellent students at the naval academy and has been tremendously
gratified by the students who really take an interest in her work. She has gone on to
watch some of her students become excellent in Arabic and this is what keeps her
going. She always hopes that some of her students will use their Arabic skills in
business, politics, or diplomacy after the navy.
Finally, we asked Clarissa to give us some insight on women’s roles in the Arab
world. It turns out that there are tremendously different situations regarding women’s
roles that differ from country to country, or sometimes even within a single country.
Clarissa has watched things change radically in Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco throughout
her career. The extent of women’s involvement has gone up and down with the fortunes

�in the Egyptian political system. There is a feminist consciousness in the Arab world,
which gets articulated differently from country to country. Since the revolution, Muslim
brotherhood backlash and hostility towards women on the streets has been a problem
and there continues to be suppression towards women. Just that morning, Clarissa had
heard of a death of two sisters who had been thrown off the top of an apartment
building. Her assumption that this was a murder goes to show the severity of these
issues in the Arab world. On a brighter side, although there are serious problems in the
Arab world, women are interested in creating opportunities for other women and in
making society better for women and girls. While between 25 and 50 percent of young
women cannot find jobs in the Arab world, women created an NGO that had very
successfully given them pathways into careers. With some extremist groups that have
the desire to push women back to a position of powerlessness and domestic seclusion
still present in the Arab world, there are still women and men actively finding ways to
participate and raise awareness.

Section 5: Your analysis: What aspects of the interview did you find to be
particularly meaningful? What aspects were not useful? What more would you
like to know? What other in-class presentations did you find particularly useful?
Explain

In my few years studying at Stony Brook University, I have only been assigned
one interview, for my freshman seminar class. At first I thought because this task was
so tedious that it would not be helpful. I figured that doing an interview was just a filler

�assignment, just a project to keep us busy and kill time. After interviewing someone in
our Stony Brook marine biology department, I learned a lot about the practices at our
Stony Brook South Hampton campus, the biologist’s life and findings during her travels.
This knowledge gave me great insight on some of the amazing things people are doing
around the world. Learning about these experiences from a primary source is an
excellent way to figure out more about the world and more about you. After doing my
first interview it opened up my mind to new things that I may want to study here at Stony
Brook in order to take advantage of my college experience while I am young and still
have the chance. The same curiosity that is fulfilled with knowledge by reading books
and articles can be achieved during an interview of knowledgeable people. Interviewing
professionals has taught me that even if some have not yet gotten the luxury of
publishing their life experiences into a book or journal, they still have amazing life
changing lessons and experiences that are capable of inspiring those who are willing to
listen.
This year I was granted the luxury of being able to have a conversation over
video chat with Professor Clarissa Burt. Professor Burt is a professor of Arabic studies
at US Naval Academy. Her eventful life experiences have brought on her passion for
the Arab culture. She spent 10 years living in the city of Cairo in Egypt where she was
able to gauge her love for the topic from first-hand experience. She learned the
language and grew an everlasting relationship with the Middle East. Within Clarissa’s
journey throughout the Middle East, her main attachment grew between her and the art
of poetry expressed there. She spoke to us of wonderful poets that inspired her,
including Iman Mercal and Farah Chammah to name a few. In her spare time she would

�enjoy watching these poets live in order to feel the emotions they convey through their
work.
Professor Burt wishes to be able to spread awareness to all of the unwritten
languages that exist in the Arabic world. She wants to be able to eventually develop a
written language platform for these languages, so that they may be understood by all
who are willing and curious to learn more. Clarissa informed us of her relationship that
started her family with a man she met in this Arabic land. She does not say much about
this man other than the fact that he is the father of her children. Professor Burt also tells
us a little about the backstory of one of her favorite writers Wadih Saadeh. Although that
information is interesting I decided to place more focus on her effort to make Arabic
poetry more globally recognized. While Clarissa’s works may not directly impact the
career trajectories that our group wishes to follow, we found what we learned to be
incredibly interesting. We find Clarissa Burt’s life to be an inspiration, and has
persuaded us into looking more into Arabic literature. Our group would also like to learn
more about women’s roles in the Arabic world, therefore the poets that Clarissa
mentioned would be good starting points.
The main interview that intrigued me was the group that interviewed Nancy Davis
Lewis. Since my group had our own experience interviewing a woman whose main
purpose was to implement change, this one caught my eye because her purpose was
similar. Though Clarissa Burt’s goal was to implement change with language, Nancy
Lewis thought that women should be agents of change. Nancy Davis Lewis a director of
research at “East West Society”. Some of her main points that she preached is that she
believes women to be more caring for the environment and that women should be the

�main leaders in the development of society. She thinks that the voice of women being
heard is important in going forward.

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Interviewee’s title or position: Adjunct professor, Attorney, consultant
Date, time and length of interview: November 10 at 1pm and it lasted 46 minutes 10 seconds.
Team: Paul Nguyen, Stefanie Chen, Christolin Michel

Objective: Learning about the roles women play in US-Asian Relations, and Ms. Barale’s career.
2) Our group originally was assigned to perform an interview with Kerry Dumbaugh. We
sent her an email on October 20, however we never received a response from her. During the
time that we waited for her responses, we researched about her and came up with questions to
ask her. Two weeks later on November 3, we sent a follow up email in hope that she would
check it in case she forgot however we never did get a response. We figure she may be busy with
the current issues in China government and the policies there. Professor Christoff had a backup
interviewee for groups that may have issues with their assigned person. Lucille Barale was then
assigned to us since we never got a response from Kerry Dumbaugh.
The questions we had originally for Kerry Dumbaugh was altered in order to work into
Ms. Barale life. Researching Ms. Barale was not a difficult task since we learn a bit from
Professor Christoff, she provided us Ms. Barale website, which was lucillebarale.com. From that
website we found out that Ms. Barale is a specialist in the legal aspect of business in China. She
worked with foreign companies on their investments and acquisitions in china since the 1980’s.
We later on found a Linkedin associated with Ms. Barale. From Linkedin, we found that she is
currently a “visiting professor” at Georgetown University Law center. She was a “visiting
professor” of law at Renmin University Law School. She partnered with Freshfields Bruckhaus
Deringer advising foreign investors on projects in China. Ms. Barale was President for a year in
American Chamber of Commerce Hong Kong in 1989. She later became a chairman for a year in

�2004. For roughly 13 years, she worked as an attorney for the Coudert Brothers. In order to work
at these places, we knew that she was very fluent in Mandarin Chinese.
We categorized the questions for Ms. Barale into three parts. The first part deals with Ms.
Barale’s early life. The questions we asked for this part was: Were there any significant events in
childhood, or as you got older that sparked your interest in China? Did any family members have
an interest in China and/or international relations? Can you tell us a little bit about your
education path from high school through college? The second part of the questions deals with
Ms. Barale’s career path. Those questions are the following: We have looked at your website and
wondered if you could tell us about your work as an attorney in China. Did you encounter any
specific opportunities or obstacles in that work? Because we are interested in women in USAsian relations, we wondered if being a woman affected your career path. You seemed to have
had at least three careers (an attorney, consultant, and adjunct professor) – Is that right? How did
you decide to pursue each of these careers? Who is the most interesting person you have met in
your career and why? The last part deals with her reflections and those questions are: How would
you respond to someone who believes that law doesn’t play a role in social and cultural change?
What, in your opinion, is one of the biggest issues concerning China’s economic and legal
systems? How do either of these affect Chinese women? Finally, what advice do you give
someone who is pursuing a similar career as yours?
3) Because our interview was last minute due to issues regarding Kerry Dumbaugh, Ms.
Barale was unable to review our interview questions prior to the interview so for all except for
one question we were able to get complete responses. The question that she could not give us a
complete answer for was the question in regards to the most interesting person she has meet
throughout her career. Although she did mention a story where she was taken meet a widow of

�the former ministries of foreign affairs in old courtyard house. She realized then that it fed a part
of her that was eager or hungry to really have more contact and more direct experience with The
Chinese. Our interview was a mixed structure. We had our list of questions in front of us during
the interview, but if there was something she said that we wished she elaborated on, we would
ask her other questions that were not on our official list of questions. For our section
“Reflections” on our question sheet was just some of our probing questions that we used to ask
Professor Barale. It focuses on her opinions in issues in China which further explains some
answers she gave us throughout the interview. We worked as a team where everyone was
actively listening as well as taking shorthand notes. There were times where we got sidetrack
from the main question in order to ask her questions in regards to her response. An example
would be when she told us about students asking her questions, she never even thought of. We
asked her for an example of one those questions, which was a bit too much to ask for on short
notices, however she was able to provide one example for us. As mentioned before, our
interview was quite last minute so Professor Barale was unable to give us any documents or
references before the interview. We studied her website on her background so we felt that it was
sufficient for us to carry out a fulfilling interview. However after the interview she responded to
our follow up email with information on the question of women’s right in China. She suggested
us to look into Leta Hong Fincher who have written a well-researched book entitled, “Leftover
Women: The Resurgence of Gender Inequality in China.” She thought that many of Professor
Fincher’s observations and findings may help explain the feeling we have that women’s rights is
a growing problem.
4) We started the interview by asking her if there was any significant events in her
childhood that sparks her interest in China. She took a couple of seconds and told us that it

�wasn’t in her childhood but in her high school days where the interests started. Her French
teacher told her about a summer school class that taught Chinese language. She recalled it as a
Carnegie Foundation, and it started programs in learning Asian languages primarily Chinese and
Japanese. Her interests further progress when she got into Georgetown where she knew she
wanted to study Chinese language. She thought it was very critical that students nowadays learn
more than one language due to the fact that interconnectivity of different cultures, globalization
and economics. We then asked if there was any family members that contributed to her career in
US-Asian Relations. She quickly responded no but then she shared how she contributed to her
sibling’s interests in Asian Studies. Ms. Barale explains how that started when she studied
abroad in Taiwan. She would write back home to her family expressing how much she love it
there and the wonderful experiences that she have received being there. She also suggested her
family should send her sister over to experience a bit Taiwan and that they could travel back
home together. To her surprise, her family was willing to let her sister travel because her family
came from a lower middle class and her dad had recently lost his job then. She told us that
because her family values education, they were willing to send her sister to Asia with her. Ms.
Barale’s sister later on studying Asian Studies major at University of Minnesota and got her
masters in teaching Chinese and a PHD in sociolinguistic at UPenn.
The next part of the interview deals with her career path. For this part, we asked her if
there was any obstacles, disadvantages being American in China or advantages when she was in
China. Ms. Barale started working as an attorney in Hong Kong in 1980 to 1983 and considered
it to be normal financial and legal environment compared to Beijing. She moved to Beijing in
1983 to work with the law office of Coudert Brothers. In Beijing, she felt that it was very clear
that foreigners were contained and very segregated. They were to live in certain areas only and

�have offices in “ghettos” area. Comparing Beijing to Taiwan, she thought it was harder to live in
Beijing. In Taiwan, foreigners were able to live with local residents and was easier to have
Chinese friends. On a professional level, she felt that here were some practical obstacles such as
living conditions however it was still possible to have access with Chinese government officials.
She feel that it was possible because of the Joint Venture law that started in 1979. The Chinese
government were beginning to encourage foreign investments. We learn from her that when the
Joint Venture law was first announced there were only roughly 25 to 30 paragraphs. Those
paragraphs were the foundation for foreign investments. We further learn from Ms. Barale that in
1983, the implementing regulations now have 110 to 115 paragraphs that gave us more details on
how we should be going about foreign investments and what needs to be done to establish
foreign investments. Being a woman did not affected her career path. Ms. Barale stated that in
1983, the Chinese government had categories for foreigners, they were treated as such and not
based on gender. She felt that they were issues that she should considered as obstacles for
women but she generally felt lucky in a sense that she did not experienced it herself. She wasn’t
to sure on how to explain it so she gave us some information post interview.
Having different career path, we questioned how she went about pursuing each of those
career. She explained how she love Chinese language and wanted to apply something practical
with the language. The idea of having a result and seeing whether you succeed or not appealed
her. She went back to an earlier interest and applied to law school. Up until that point she
specialized and focused on China and Taiwan and all things Chinese. Being in law school now,
bought back lots of topics that were relevant to even her parents, neighbors and friends. Some of
those topics were tax returns or people’s will. She enjoyed combining Chinese with something
she can practice which is the real reason why she went into practice of law. She knew that it was

�going to be a long learning curve in order to get to the level that she is comfortable enough to
enjoy what she is doing. She practiced law for over 25 years and enjoyed every moment of it.
She was retiring but she missed having the experiences of people challenging her with questions
she did not think of. She likes it when people question what she already know from a different
perspective. This caused her to return back to academia in order to fulfill that enjoyment. She is
really pleased to be working with students and occasionally does get questions that make her
rethink about what she think she knows.
The last part of the interview, we wanted her to share some of her reflections in her life or
career path. We wanted to know whether law plays a role in social and cultural changes
especially correlating with attitudes people have about women in US-Asian relations in aspect
with her experiences as an attorney. She felt that there was so much emphasis on the
development of commercial law and laws that needs to be in place for China’s economy to
develop, such as the company law, the real property law, security law, that other laws relating to
family or inheritance have not always have the attention they should have. These laws are really
where women are either treated equally or put at a disadvantage and that's why it should have
more attention. She talked about cases of divorce laws and property laws where in rural areas,
after divorces, one person usually get that land and continue farming and its normally the women
who loses out. She thinks there are to some extent being recognized but it is a problem and she
doesn’t think it has been addressed in any meaningful way. She recently read that the court will
start taking sexual harassment cases and that is entirely new for China as well. She felt that there
is a lot of work to be done in some crucial areas that would allow women to have a fair chance in
society. We wonder on what she considered one of the biggest issues concerning China’s
economy and their legal systems. She admits she does not know what the biggest issue is but

�there are certainly a lot of issues. She started talking about the issue with pensions or the care for
the elder, support for elderly. She told us that for people who haven't studied much about China
would probably think of China that is run by the communist party based on socialist principles
therefore we got a security blanket for people such as orphans, sick or the elderly. However that
is not the case, new housing usually overtake old communities, which would push people out
into new environment that they are not familiar or used to. This would lead to people dropping
through the system. She restated that in issues concerning women were property ownership and
rights after divorce should have more attentions. Stefanie shared some insights on that topic
shortly after that response. Being Chinese, she felt that it was kind of in her culture to look after
the elderly once they retired. Her family took in her grandma took care of her. She felt that it’s
kind of a different time now where some generations today would send their elderly parents to
nursing homes. Based on insight from Stefanie, Ms. Barale shared some of her insights as well.
She had one of her students telling her about situation in China, specifically in Hai bian court.
Some of the elderly were being pushed out of their home by their own family members.
Knowing that, Ms. Barale finds it hard to understand why family members would do that to each
other. She agrees with Stefanie on the subject of taking care of the elderly and share more stories
with us. She told us about the time when her mother came to live with her in Hong Kong. Her
mother would sometimes go to Beijing with Ms. Barale when she went on business trips. During
the day, Ms. Barale would have to leave her mother alone because she was in meeting and
traveling, however she always felt wherever her mother went, it would be safe for her. The
people would always be kind to her mother and would never let her get lost. She feels that the
respect for elderly is crumbling due to the pressure of modern economy. Lastly, we asked her if
she had any advices for people who wish to pursue a similar career. She started off explaining

�that she never had one integrated coherent plan. At each stage of her life, she was always sort of
piecing together how it will work out for her. She ended the answer with “Be open and be
flexible”. It a simple advice but has a strong meaning to it. We feel that to be open we have to be
willing to accept any opportunities and be willing to move on as well as being flexible to
changes.
5) Our interview with Professor Barale was one that was very inspiring. Professor Barale
is a woman who is extremely successful within her field. She contributed this mostly to
following what she loved; the beauty of language. It’s a message that is often the central theme
of today’s media however it’s a whole new experience when you hear how it applies to an
actually person’s life. She also shared an anecdote about how she has passed on the same ideas to
her sister who has also become interested in other cultures and exploration. Other than this,
another interesting aspect of our interview was when she told us that her travels and her career
had been completely void of gender walls. In China, she was seen as just a foreigner, not as a
woman. Every word used during the interview had meaning and significance. She often took
pauses during the questioning to make sure of that. However, if asked a question that she didn’t
know the answer to, she would kindly tell us so. During the presentations, many other groups
spoke on behalf of their interview experiences. Some of the ones that stood out to us were the
ones on Jennifer Chou; of Radio Free Asia, Mary David and Margarethe Adams.
Jennifer Chou amazed us due to the fact that she was able to downplay gender
discrimination and how much she cared about the Asia and Asia relation events. She always
made sure that she got the word out and informed the masses using any available resources.
Mary David was a human trafficking and counter terrorist activist who uses art to teach and
express her cause. Margarethe Adams was an expert in ethnomusicology; and believes that much

�could be learned about a culture through their music and poetry. All of these women found
something that they strongly believed in and did something about it.
The presentation portion of the class was extremely inspirational and displayed the
powers of determination, good will, and creativity.

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                    <text>Margarethe Adams is an ethnomusicologist and a professor at Stony Brook
University. Since her childhood, she had a strong interest in Central Asian culture,
which culminated in her studying Russian and Chinese as an undergraduate and
conducting her first ethnographic work in Kazakhstan. Her main areas of work also
include China, Japan, and Mongolia. Margarethe is interested in the political
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shed light on the experiences of women and their roles in these different societies.
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*Audio Clip Plays*
As discussed in this sound clip, ethnography is a very collaborative field. The
research and subject matter that ethnographers study relies on the conversations and
mixing of ideas brought about by discussions between ethnographers. Being a
woman in this field is very important, because there is a certain perspective that
women can bring to the table in cultural study fields such as ethnography. This
perspective would perhaps not be represented if the field was dominated by men.
While this is a benefit and a necessity for the field, Adams also brought up that being
a woman in academia is very difficult, especially as academia becomes an

�increasingly competitive field. She notes that academia requires a full commitment to
work, and that most people are essentially working full time until they are thirty. This
brings up a problem for most women who are looking to get into the field, as Adams
notes there is essentially no time to look for a spouse, or to have children during your
20s to 30s, as this is the time when you would be working the hardest in academia.

�Clip 1 - “Maggie’s research and field work lies in a number of different countries, but
her concerns remain centralized on the Political ideology and musical performance in
Kazaks and diasporas near and around Kazakhstan. For those of you who don’t know
what diasporas are, it’s a term that describes Individuals or groups of people that
have ventured beyond their native borders and settled.”
Clip 2 - “This interview was held in real time on November 11th of 2015, at the Staller
Center for Music on Stony Brook University’s West Campus. Maggie Adam’s personal
office sheltered our interview for 68 and a half minutes. The space provided us with
an adequate environment to tentatively take notes and study our subject. The initial
focus of the interview was to address and develop a vivid analysis of
ethnomusicology, but further intentions led us to poke at the role of women in
ethnomusicology, the countries that Maggie visited, the role of women in said
countries and what exactly it was that got her interested in her field of work.”

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