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AAS307 - Final Paper
December 8, 2015

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Person interviewed: Nancy Payne

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Interviewee’s title or position: Vice President of PeaceTech Lab

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Date, time and length of interview: On Nov 11, from noon to 1pm for about an hour

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Objective in conducting this interview: Understanding Nancy Payne’s contribution to
US-Asian Relations throughout her careers

Description of the pre-interview research:
Professor Christoff assigned our group to interview Nancy Payne and she briefly
told us who Nancy Payne was. Then, we researched more about her on the Internet. We
used Google for our main research to find out more about her such as biographical
information, her career, PeaceTech Lab and etc. As we proceeded to research Nancy
Payne, we couldn’t find her detailed biographical information such as her youth life but
we were able to find some general information about her. She is currently a vice president
of Peacetech Lab, an organization that spun out of United States Institute of Peace to
specialize in preventing violence and reducing conflicts around the world by using
technology, media, and data. She received her B.A. in journalism from the University of
Nebraska and M.A. from American University’s School of International Service. She has
some teaching experiences at John Hopkins University and Georgetown University. In
addition, we found her career experiences. Nancy Payne started her career as a reporter in
broadcast news and a photographer. She was managing director for communications at

�the Overseas Private Investment Corporation and a senior partner/senior vice president at
Fleishman Hillard International. She had some interesting experiences in East Asia,
directing all aspects of FH-Hong Kong.
After we did some research on Nancy Payne, we sent an interview proposal letter
to her. We started our letter by introducing ourselves, who we are and why we are
contacting her. Then, we asked her if we can interview her on her career and how her
career fits into the relations between women in Asia and the date of the interview for her
convenience. She contacted us back with her availabilities. Our group members decided
to conduct the interview on the Nov. 11 and replied her back with some of exemplary
questions. After that we couldn't get a reply email from Ms. Payne to confirm the
interview, so we asked Professor Christoff for help. Few days later, Ms. Payne reached
out to confirm the interview. Before the interview, our group gathered and did more
research on her to create some questions that we need to ask for the interview. We sent
five of prepared questions to Nancy Payne beforehand, so that she could prepare for the
interview and understand what the interview would be like. On the day of the interview,
Professor Christoff helped us with setting up our laptop for the interview. Right before
the interview, we reviewed our questions and rehearsed with the questions we had.

Interview Questions:
For the interview questions, we wanted to focus on her experiences in East Asia
and her career at Peacetech Lab. Therefore, we created questions mostly on Peacetech
Lab and some of ongoing projects as well as her unique experiences while she was in
Hong Kong and China. We created some ice-breaking questions for the beginning of our
interview. The lists below are questions that we prepared for our interview;

�1. Can you briefly tell us about yourself? (Biographical information mainly focusing on
your early life)
2. How long have you worked for Fleishman Hillard International?
3. Can you briefly describe your role as VP at Peacetech Lab?
4. What are your reasons for choosing to work in PeaceTech? (Your goal, hope to achieve)
5. Can you explain some of the ongoing projects of PeaceTech Lab and
a. What do you expect get out of those projects?
b. Follow up question: Is the “Radio Drama” in South Sudan successful? Is
PeaceTech Lab getting any positive feedback from the audience?
c. Follow up question: Other than countries in Middle East and Africa, are there any
currently ongoing projects in any other Asian countries? (East Asia?)
6. We’d like to hear your opinion on current global issues such as Syrian refugee crisis, ISIS
and nuclear deal with Iran.
a. Follow up question: What can PeaceTech Lab do for solving these issues?
7. Can you please briefly describe about your work experiences in East Asia?
a. (Which Country did you work in for which years and what kind of job was it
there?)
8. What are some interesting differences that you found out between Asian countries and
America? (based on linguistic or cultural differences between two countries)
9. While you stayed (or worked) in East Asia (Hong Kong), did you experience any gender
discrimination/inequality problem?
10. Who is your personal role model? Do you have anyone who inspires you the most?

Did you get complete answers to your questions?

�During our interview, Nancy Payne kindly answered all of our questions with
detailed information. However, she seemed difficult to answer a question asking her
personal opinions about current international conflicts. Since she has been interested in
international issues and has been working for world peace, we asked her personal
opinions on such issues. However, she hesitated to answer the questions at first. She
began answering by saying that she is not an expert regarding such issues. Basically what
she said was that there are more things need to be done to solve international conflicts.
Even though it was pretty difficult for her to answer the question, she tried to give us a
complete answer.

Was you interview structured, unstructured, or mixed?
Our interview was a mixed structure format. We asked her questions that are
close-ended questions such as questions regarding biographical information and her
career. For open-ended questions, we asked her personal thoughts/opinions regarding
certain topics such as PeaceTech Lab, experiences in East Asia, and current ongoing
project of PeaceTech Lab. When open-ended questions were asked, follow up questions
were added after she answered depending on the topics.

What probing questions did you use?
Some of the interview questions we had were probing questions such as a
question regarding consequence. For example, “What do you see as the consequences of
the ongoing projects of the PeaceTech Lab?” We also used probing questions regarding
reasons and evidences when we asked a follow-up question, “I’m curious as to the basis
of what you have explained about current projects in South Sudan and Iraq. Other than

�countries in Middle East and Africa, are there also any ongoing projects of PeaceTech
Lab particularly in East Asian countries?”

Explain your team approach. That is, who did what?
Throughout the project, we worked as a team most of the time. We divided our
work and contributed to the project. During the interview, each group member had
specific roles. We worked together on researching on her background information
including her previous careers and her current job in PeaceTech Lab. Whenever new
information were found, we shared the links on the google docs, so that everyone could
be notified. We all also worked together on writing an interview proposal email to Nancy
Payne as well as creating questions before the interview. During the interview, while
Junbum and Hosun mainly asked questions, Kyuri took brief notes (Kyuri also asked few
questions though). After the interview, Kyuri organized the whole interview notes and
rest of members edited the shared notes based on the recording file. On the next day of
our interview, we worked together on sending a thank-you email to Nancy Payne.

Did the interviewee give you any documents or references to articles to read, or did she
mention other people for you to talk to (or research)?
She did not give us any documents, references, or articles to read but she mainly
explained to us with detailed examples and her experiences. Especially, when she
explained about one of Peacetech Lab’s ongoing projects called ‘Sawa Shabab’, a radio
drama. She really wanted to share its main theme song with us. After she explained about
the topic of the theme song and how fun it is to listen, she tried to pull up the song on her
computer but after few seconds, she was worried about taking too much time of our

�interview. She just recommended us to listen to it later and started to talk about the
second project of PeaceTech Lab.

Interview Notes/Write up
1. Introduction (background info):
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She was born and raised in Nebraska, America.

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She graduated from the University of Nebraska as Journalism major.

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Her grandparents mainly influenced her: Ms. Payne’s grandparents travelled around the
world during 1950’s 60’s 70’s and always came back with good stories and pictures. She
started to be interested in outside of America. She said “They set a tone of curiosity.”
2. Previous Careers:

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After she graduated from college, she worked as a reporter for 5 years and her interest
moved to public relation.

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She worked as a public consultant at NYC.

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After that, she went to s grad school in Washington as an International Relation major.

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She focused on technology, telecommunication policy with interests in understanding
political system and understanding other countries during her grad school years.

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She also worked in solving social issues such as starting a communication with youth to
make a better choice on drug uses, alcohol and smoking.

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She wanted to understand social issues through digital media as well as through
traditional journalism method.

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She took a job in an U.S Gov. for two and a half years. During that time, she learned
what are the investment projects outside of the U.S. and projects on global development.
3. 2014 PeaceTech Lab

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PeaceTech Lab is a U.S institution which was established to achieve a peace through
technology and media in 2014. Other than getting funds from people and other
organizations, PeaceTech Lab believes that these three main critical tools can contribute
to achieve peace in the world.

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Technology provides lots of opportunities to people who have problems and help them to
come up with their own solutions.
4. Reasons for working in Peace Tech Lab

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She wants to do something which can influence on a broader issue of the world.
5. Challenges for her?

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Whenever she confronted challenges, she ask herself “who we really serve?” and come
up with her answer “We serve people who are living in those countries in conflict.” She
also said “we always try to have a clear view on who we are serving.”
6. Her role

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She confronted risk of violence when she visited unstable countries or regions.

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PeaceTech Lab provides some tools to local community to lower down the risk and try to
provide a stable society.
7. Ongoing projects

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Media: Technology helps local production companies to provide communicative method.
Ex) Radio drama in South Sudan whose title is “ Sawa Shabab” in Arabic aims to foster
the understanding of democracy, gender equality and human rights especially to young
adults.

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There are many problems in Sudan; tribalism, national identity and gender inequality.

�-

This radio drama teaches young adults gender issues, ethnic group issues and nationality
issues in South Sudan.

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At the last part of the drama, they ask question to listeners. People can reply to this
question and give feedback to it through social media and text messages.

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They just finished the second season and going to start the third season.

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Younger generation can learn how they can get through their problems.

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In every episode, they get 400~500 call in (great reaction).

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They conduct a research after every season and the result was that two thirds of the
population said they know the show or have heard about it.

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Currently they stop doing it but PeaceTech Lab had also launched a project in Iraq. In
Iraq they started a reality show and its target audience is young adults who are under 30.

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Technology: a project “Peace Tech exchange” researching on particular issues, conflicts
and concepts. (Civil society-it means the NGOs working on social issues and engages in
local society.) They also did workshops so that they could suggest projects and work on
funding.

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Data: PeaceTech Lab built a data hub. There is no factual data in those countries in
conflicts, such as Sudan and many countries in Middle East. With the data hub, people
can make factual based decision.
8. Thoughts on global issues

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Data hub can be used to understand what is going on in that country; it gives tools in our
hand.
9. Experience in East Asia after grad school

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She spent 4 years in East Asia such as Hong Kong, mainland China and Japan.

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She worked as a general manager (regional coordinator, all around the region).

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She helped Asian based companies who wanted to expand itself abroad, work globally
and expand itself into multinational company.

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Her team helped those companies to get into an international market such as the case of
headphone manufacture company in China.

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In Korea, those processes of internationalization had been going on a lot longer than
companies in China such as Samsung, LG and other car companies like Hyundai and Kia.

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One of her colleagues was a Korean and she still works there. Nancy Payne worked with
a lot of Korean companies.
10. Any cultural differences and linguistic barrier?

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She said “Yes, but Hong Kong is very easy, Hong Kong is a bilingual society. you just
have to learn few ‘taxi Cantonese.’”

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She said most people in Hong Kong speak English, so she just picked 10 Cantonese
words to use in taxi and that was enough for her to live in Hong Kong.

-

She also worked in Shanghai and cultural differences were very profound in mainland
China.

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It was easy to find cultural differences in day to day basis interaction in business settings
such as “how do you give your business card to someone?”

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She asked us a question “How do you do it in Korea?” We explained to her how we do it
in Korea- with hands.

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“It sounds really easy but Americans don’t do that.” Just remembering that and learning
that how to do it in daily basis were the cultural differences that she felt while she was
working in China.

�-

The biggest difference she felt was that Americans tend to be very transactional in a
business setting. They just want to cut down to their agenda and cut to the chase what
they want and decision is made. When they ask yes or no questions, they expect you to
answer as yes or no.

-

But in Asian pacific countries, it is very relationship-driven. You need to take the time to
actually get to know someone before you expect them to make a big decision about you
or your company. These were the major cultural differences she felt.

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She experienced cultural differences and discriminations in other cultures than in Asia

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She said she was very fortunate in many ways because her team, her working
environment and even clients had a pretty equal mix of men and women.

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She couldn’t pick any specific experiences that she felt getting discrimination of the fact
that she is a woman by saying, “I’m pretty lucky I guess.”

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“I saw it and i knew it that there are gender discrimination but i did not experienced it.”
11. Role model / Anyone inspired her

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She went to Southern Iraq earlier this year.

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She met a guy who was a pharmacist in Iraq.

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He had interests in technology and realized that there is no place to go and make things.

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He found a “Makerspace,” a big area where he could create computer, car and etc.

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With a kickstarter campaign, he and his team raised 20,000 dollars to start this project.

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They opened it up to local technology communities and two universities where there are
science and engineering programs. They allowed engineers to come and make stuff and
let people come in by letting them make whatever they can to advance their study.

�-

“That is inspiring, we just went there and we saw creatively, incredible sense of
discovery, innovation and technology.” “People are trying to make stuff and getting
excited about their future, make something little bit better for their world that they are
living in.”

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“There are trash on the streets and this guy just did it with barely no money but with his
intelligence, ingenuity, passion and desire.”

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“This kind of people that we talk to all the time... We are talking to those people every
single day. They are being creative and come up with better way to live.”

Analysis
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What aspects of the interview did you find to be particularly meaningful?
Our interview with Nancy Payne was priceless. What is unique about our group is
that all of our group members have East-Asian background. Because we were born and
grew up in Korea, we all have been used to East Asian cultures that are heavily rooted in
Confucianism. It was such a valuable experience for all of us to interview someone who
isn’t from Asian background but has cultural and working experiences in those regions.
Therefore, we were able to compare our experiences from hers and find out some
linkages and differences between East Asia and the US. Moreover, as she showed
interests in East Asia, we could give her more insights on cultural differences that we felt.
The interview was very meaningful overall because we’ve learned so much from
the interview. We learned not only about Nancy Payne’s life and career but also the
influences that she has around some conflict zones. During the course, we’ve learned
about different roles and accomplishments of women throughout the history. The
interview led us to talk to a woman who has actually impacts on the world’s peace.

�-

What aspects were not useful? What more would you like to know? What other in-class
presentations did you find particularly interesting?
Everything was useful but a question asking her personal thoughts of current
international issues like ISIS and Syrian Refugee Crisis was irrelevant to the overall goal
of our interview. Since we had noticed her interests in international issues and her
involvement in the work field addressing international conflicts, we wanted to hear about
her personal opinions/advices. However, she had a cautious attitude while answering the
question. The problem is that we didn’t recognize that the question would be a sensitive
topic to Nancy Payne a bit, since she is one of the representatives of the US governmental
organization, “PeaceTech Lab.”
What we would like to know more is other ongoing projects of PeaceTech Lab
using “Technology” and “Data” for promoting the world’s peace. During the interview,
she gave us an example of “Radio Drama” in South Sudan as one of the projects using
“Media.” However, when she explained about the other two tools, “Technology” and
“Data,” she didn’t give us specific examples of any projects using them.
From the presentation about Dr. Latha Chandran, M. D.,we found out an
interesting point when our classmates introduced Dr. Latha’s statement, “Being a women
in India never affected her being in a medical school.” During the class, we learned about
a male dominated medical school in America during 50’s and 60’s and we thought even
nowadays being a woman in a medical field would still affect her. However, unlike our
expectations, she mentioned that entering a medical field is really hard but once students
get into a medical school, then they stand in the same line as everyone starts their long
journey regardless of whether they are women or men. We thought that since all of three

�students who presented are aiming to enter a medical school, everything Dr.Latha
Chandran said must have influenced them significantly.

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                    <text>Asha Samuel, Arianny Santana, &amp; Shamarie Williams
Final Paper: Interview
Section One
Person Interviewed: Dr. Carol Hamrin
Interviewee’s title and position: Senior associate at the Global China Center; previously a
research professor at George Mason University and senior research specialist at the State
Department
Date, time, &amp; length: The interview took place on 11/13/15 at 10:33 a.m. and lasted one hour and
two minutes
Objective: to learn about the career path of Dr. Hamrin and how that is reflective of the role of
women in U.S.-Asian relations

Section Two
Before the interview, Dr. Hamrin sent us a resume with information about her education,
her different positions in her career, her publications, and links to various videos of her speaking.
Unfortunately, the videos didn’t work but the rest of the information was very valuable in our
preparation. We had already read excerpts from a book that she edited, Salt and Light. We
utilized resources she provided us with along with information we found on the internet from
researching her, to formulate the questions. We prepared 13 questions. We asked three questions
about her early life, which allowed us to understand how her childhood and education helped
shape her path. We asked five questions about her career in the State Department and her
involvement in human rights and religious freedom. Finally, we asked five questions that asked
her to reflect on her career and the role of women in US-Asian relations. Of all these questions,
we emailed her five that we felt were comprehensive of the entire set:

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Because we are interested in women in US-Asian relations, we wondered if being a
woman affected your career path.

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What led you to choose to focus on religion and how does it impact your career?

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What influenced you to pursue a career as a speaker and consultant?

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What, in your opinion, is one of the biggest issues concerning religious freedom?

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What, in your opinion, is one of the biggest issues concerning human rights? How does it
affect women in China?

Section Three
For our interview, we definitely got very complete answers to our questions from Dr.
Hamrin. She took time to think about her answers and gave very thorough responses. For the
most part, because of how complete her answers were, the interview was mixed structured. We
were able to ask questions about her opinion or experiences in situations that we didn’t anticipate
being able to ask ahead of time but for much of the interview, it wasn’t necessary. She answered
the questions to the fullest so we didn’t need to ask many follow up questions. In fact, sometimes
her answers allowed us to skip other questions. Our questions about the actual subject matter of
her career were probing. They were questions that asked her to tie her career to current affairs
and allowed us to gain much more knowledge about the subjects.
Our team was very balanced in our work. Asha initiated contact with Dr. Hamrin,
Arianny contacted her about the questions we would ask, and Shamarie sent her a follow up
thank you email. During the interview, we all asked questions in a rotation. Although Asha was
designated to take notes, we all jotted down comments we found interesting or important so we
could get a more accurate portrayal of our opinions during the interview. Dr. Hamrin didn’t

�outright give us resources but she did mention various people that were involved in her career
and the State Department as a whole.

Section Four
Through the interview, we were able to understand Dr. Hamrin’s career path and how
that ties in with the role women play in U.S.-Asian relations. Dr. Hamrin’s interest in Asia,
particularly China, started with her father who was in the Pacific during World War II. The
souvenirs from his time overseas and the Pearl Buck books that lined his bookshelves peaked her
curiosity. She didn’t realize how much this impacted her until recently when she began writing
memoirs for her own children.
Her motivation to go to college came from her mother. As a widow, her mother
constantly said that it would be Dr. Hamrin’s brother that would go to college so that he could
support the family. This instilled a sense of determination in her to have a higher education. She
knew that she wanted to go to college out of state and was able to do so by attending St. Olaf
College with a scholarship from her church. This also allowed her to study abroad in Thailand
and Hong Kong. At the time the Red Guards were rioting in Macao, and even though she
couldn't go there due to the chaos of the rioting, she was able to witness in person the Cultural
Revolution in Macau. These experiences sparked an interest in her wanting to understand the
Cultural Revolution in China as a whole.
While doing her Masters at Yale, she focused on China and learned the Chinese
language. She got married after college; she and her husband moved to Wisconsin after she
finished her Masters. She struggled to find teaching jobs and instead applied to be a typist at an
Asian American Studies office. She ended up walking out of the office with a four-year
fellowship to study in China. She earned her Ph.D. in comparative world history from the

�University of Wisconsin. Even though it was atypical for anyone, let alone a woman, to go for a
doctorate, her husband encouraged her to pursue the degree. Fortunately, it opened up many
doors for her.
She entered the State Department during the feminist movement. During this time, there
was a raising of social consciousness and her coworkers were aware of her stance and
involvement as a feminist. When we asked her if being a woman affected how she was treated,
she said that it didn’t. Because her coworkers knew she was a feminist, they occasionally make
jokes and tried to be politically correct. Her doctorate allowed her to be taken seriously; her high
level of education outweighed her gender.
Dr. Hamrin became involved with human rights and religious freedom because the State
Department was required to do an annual human rights analysis on every country around the
world. Specialists had to figure out the human rights platform of China, and one of the categories
of the report was religious freedom. At the time they didn't know much about the situation and it
was difficult to get information. For the most part people saw China as having a secular society.
There was so little information about religion. People believed there were underground
Christians, but that only ethnic minorities were religious believers. Using her own contacts with
missionaries, Dr. Hamrin was able to start working on preparing information.
It is important to note that not only is she a career woman but she is also a family woman.
She has a husband, Bob, who she said is very supportive, and at one point was the only supporter
she had in pursuing higher education and achieving a high level career. She also has three
children, and when she needed to focus more on her family, her and Bob both stepped up. He
started working at home, and she had the State Department create the first part time job in history
for her-- even though she was still doing the work of three people. Back then, it was the norm for

�women to stay at home and care for the family instead of pursuing a career, but she did both
because she had that support from her husband and children.
During this time, in 1986, Dr. Hamrin was approached by Ruth Graham (the wife of the
famous evangelist Billy Graham) to help them prepare for their first trip to China. The Grahams
wanted to be conscious and respectful of Chinese culture so they wanted an expert involved in
their plans. She worked with them from 1986 to 1988 by doing research on the history of the
Church in China, helping them prepare, and travelling with them to China.
She continued to do more reporting and analysis on religion in China for the annual
reports. She said that she was considered an expert on China and its religious issues because she
was the only one who cared. Under the Clinton Administration, the White House asked her to
brief Congress on religion in China and work on a plan to send a group of religious leaders to
China during the big debate of what was the most favored nation. The Clinton Administration
wanted to find ways of dealing with the issue of religious freedom in China so it took the
initiative of trying to get business people to pay more attention, sending religious delegations to
China, and requiring more reporting on religious freedom.
Dr. Hamrin mentioned that it was evident that the U.S. government was just touching the
surface of understanding foreign relations and foreign policy with China, at the time when China
opened up to a market economy. The U.S. didn't understand certain things because the
government didn’t have the resources to thoroughly investigate and study certain changes. All
the U.S. learned and had time to focus on was what was given from the foreign ministries and
high-level leaders. She made it her mission to know more so she took a 2-year sabbatical to study
the Five Year Plan in China. This was the start of her being the one to take the initiative to not
just speculate and reach for the surface of what was going on is China, but to dig deeper.

�Dr. Hamrin said that around the late ‘90s and early 2000s the U.S. government would ask
the Chinese about religious freedom but ignore the big underlying issues. The U.S. would focus
on major world religions like Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism, but ignore the issue of religious
freedom for the 90% of Han Chinese who were being persecuted. This was an issue for her and
when there was a big internal debate in the government about whether or not a persecuted cult
religion in China should be defended, she argued that as long as its practices are safe and legal, it
should be defended just like any other religion.
In the early 2000s, Dr. Hamrin was eligible for early retirement from the State
Department and decided to take it. She was tired of politics and wanted to work for herself. She
now works from home as a senior associate for the Global China Center in Virginia.
After covering her influences and career path, we transitioned to more reflective
questions about the current state of China and where it could be headed. There is great
controversy among experts on religious freedom in China. There are some that would agree that
things are getting better and some who wouldn’t. According to Dr. Hamrin, the growth of
religion is China has forced the government to recognize religious freedom, but it doesn’t know
how to fix the issue. Dr. Hamrin mentioned that people in China on the ground are choosing
more and more to ignore governmental restrictions and policies, and are living by their
commitments and faith. She said that this gradually will force chance de facto and the
government will have to respond to the issue. She also mentioned that this way in which the
people has stood up for themselves, has forced a lot of change in China already, including
economic change, and the government has had to change policies to keep up with what's
happening.

�The interrelationships among different sectors (i.e., economic, political, cultural, social)
have impacted foreign relations and domestic change in China. Dr. Hamrin mentioned that the
basic freedoms in China need help, but the freedom of association is one of greatest concerns.
She said that China’s governmental structure is still Marxist-Leninist although the economy is
Capitalist. So, in theory equality reigns but this is not the case in practice. The Party dominates
key decision making, though the leadership at the top is having a power struggle that isn't getting
resolved. She said that Freedom of Association has been growing for non-governmental
organizations, but the party still has strong control over these organizations by authorizing those
that work closely with the party, and delegitimizing those that don't.
We ended the interview with asking Dr. Hamrin for advice she could give to us or anyone
who wants to pursue a career similar to hers. She told us to find our calling, find our niche in a
field, and pursue it. She particularly emphasized not letting anyone talk us out of our interests
because even if it might not seem viable or traditional now, what we want to do might be the
norm in ten years. She told us that perseverance and passion are crucial for a successful and
happy career.

Section Five
Overall, there were many parts of the interview that we found useful, both for this project
and as a personal takeaway. Hearing about her career path was definitely useful. It gave us a
clearer picture of how women in government can be involved in foreign relations and how being
specialized opened doors for her. It was interesting to see how sticking with a particular area of
interest can be incredibly helpful. When she first started out, she struggled to get a teaching job.
But because of her education and her focus on religious issues, she was able to go farther than
she imagined.

�It was also great learning about how much the State Department changed in the years she
was working there, and how she became a part of that change. Her interest in China was
something that ultimately benefitted not only her but the State Department as well. We also
found the fact that she noticed a bias occurring when people discussed religious freedom in
China and worked towards rectifying it meaningful. In the interview, she stated that she wanted
to work towards religious freedom for all, not only her religion and the fact she recognized the
fact that minority religious groups indicated a lot about the type of person she is and why she
choose to focus on religious freedom.
Dr. Hamrin’s advice to us was particularly useful. She told us to find our unique calling,
and focus on that. It’s not often that you get to sit down with someone that’s made it in her field
and ask for help. It’s an opportunity that all three of us valued. Students often hear advice to
chase their dreams but it never seems realistic. The way Dr. Hamrin phrased it made having a
career in something you’re passionate about seem doable.
In general, we would’ve liked to hear more about Dr. Hamrin’s work now with the
Global China Center and exactly what that entails. Learning more about how her previous
experience affects her work now would’ve been very interesting. In fact, learning more in depth
about the various stages of her career would’ve been useful. The purpose of our interview was to
learn about her career path so it wasn’t feasible for us to go into depth when her career started in
the ‘70s. After listening to the presentations of other groups we would have also liked to learn
more about current projects that she is involved with. Although many of the women in other
groups stated that their work didn’t focus specifically on women, their role in current projects
was essential and would have been a great way to map Dr. Hamrin’s career trajectory.

�All of the projects that we got to see were fascinating; it was great to see all these
different perspectives on women in U.S.-Asian relations. It was especially interesting to see
when other interviewees touched on subjects similar to things Dr. Hamrin told us. One of these
ideas was the fact that Dr. Hamrin felt like being a woman didn’t negatively affect her career
path. She gave us a specific answer to the reason for this, that she was well educated. However,
the groups that interviewed Jennifer Chou and Dr. Latha Chandran mentioned that their
interviewees felt the same way. If we had known beforehand that many people had this
experience, we would’ve asked her more about how she thinks being a woman affects other
careers.
Another idea that was similar to something Dr. Hamrin said, and something we’ve
touched on in class, was mentioned by Margarethe Adams. She said that female ethnographers
have a different perspective than male ethnographers. She would get the perspective of other
females especially those who have families whereas single male ethnographers would get the
perspectives of other single men in the area. This was a sentiment that Dr. Hamrin also expressed
when she talked about her work in the State Department. She said that the men would approach
situations with solely a political perspective while she would look more at social issues.
Hearing about Dimon Liu was exciting because she is also involved in human rights in
China. This was an interesting juxtaposition because Dimon Liu worked directly with the issue
while Dr. Hamrin worked to rectify these issues from a different position. It’s important to
consider that when Dimon Liu was trying to get the government’s attention about China, it
refused to help as opposed to when Dr. Hamrin was in the State Department and they especially
focused on it. It highlights the need for different positions of power and ability when it comes to
righting wrongs.

�We could talk about all the women we learned about for pages. They all offered such
interesting perspectives and work in such powerful ways to try to change the world. It’s easy to
get something out of each presentation and be able to relate to all these women. The biggest
takeaway from this project is that there are so many ways of being involved as long as you don’t
let anything hold you back. Whether or not they felt like they were being faced with injustice,
these women fought to break that glass ceiling and get to where they want to be. They showed us
that there are many different ways to be involved with foreign relations and that being a woman
in this is a very specific, important niche.

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                    <text>Theresa Decicco, Mehtasim Mahfuz, Alexa Reynolds
AAS 307
Professor Christoff
12 December 2015
Interview Paper
Section One:
Person interviewed: Mary David
Interviewee’s title or position: Lawyer, and advocate for anti-human trafficking
Date, time and length of interview: Sunday November 8th 2014. 4:10pm. 55 minutes.
Objective in conducting this interview: To find out more about Mary David, a woman who has
contributed to US Asian relations, and to uncover interesting information about her including
(but not limited to): her origin story, motivators, contributions, and future plans.
Section Two:
Prior to our interview Ms. David sent us her CV, which was key to our preliminary
research. From this we learned of her current career, assisting the Judge-in-Charge of the
Criminal Division at the Baltimore Circuit Court. Along with her impressive work, both
domestic and abroad, Ms. David’s talent is widespread. As her CV mentioned she also partakes
in beauty pageants, dancing, and spoken word performances.
As a group we also looked into Ms. David’s social media outlets such as Twitter, YouTube,
and Facebook. Social media help us gain an impression of Ms. David. Watching former
interviews and performances, we learnt that she was very informed and well spoken. Another
gem that gave us a great amount of guidance was Ms. David’s website. The website listed her
past and present projects, as well a section on her work against human trafficking.

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�In our last measure of research, we looked into the issue of human trafficking. One of our
group members, Alexa, had some interesting insight into this topic. She bought about knowledge
of the tier system, which is used to measure human trafficking in various countries. Alexa,
pointed out the fact that Timor-Leste’s tier level lower after Mary David’s work with that
country’s government. We felt that we needed a better understanding of the topic, learning the
definition of human trafficking as: “the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring or receipt
of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of
fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or
receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another
person, for the purpose of exploitation” (United Nation Office on Drugs and Crime). Learning
about issue at hand, made us more interested to talk to Ms. David, as we found it very noble of
her to be fighting against such a terrible violation of human rights.
The following is the list of questions we originally had to ask Mary David:
Where were you born? What is your country of origin?
How did you get involved in fighting against human trafficking?
Who are the at-risk populations for human trafficking?
What are the factors that add to this?
Is spreading the message through the arts a good platform?
What is the link between the arts and spreading your message?
Are the main purposes for human trafficking in the areas you worked?
How do you believe you contribute to US/Asian relations as a woman?
Do you identify as an Asian woman helping Americans, vice versa, or both?
How would you explain human trafficking to someone who does know about it?

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�What do you think would be the long-term consequences of human trafficking if more awareness
isn’t spread?
What effects does foreign human trafficking have on the US/ US-Asian relations?
Who is the most interesting person you met?
How did you get involved in fighting against human trafficking?
Could you tell us more about your role/time as an UN advisor in Timor-Leste?
Why do you think human trafficking is still a prevalent problem in today's society?
What do you believe allows for this issue to continue on?
What would you say are your biggest accomplishments in regards to US/Asian relations as a
woman?
Section Three:
Ms. David gave us quite elaborate and detailed answers. She answered our questions
completely; an example can be seen in her path to advocacy. The question at hand was “how did
you get involved in fighting against human trafficking?” Her response was fluid and powerful,
she told us of her time on the island of Cyprus and her interaction with Filipina workers. During
her stay, she witnessed the maltreatment and prejudices against the forced workers. Coupled with
negative responses she received from local police, Ms. David came to the conclusion that human
trafficking was a battle worth fighting. While Ms. David gave very detailed answers, she was
able to stay within the realm of the questions.
Our interview was a mixture of both structured and unstructured questions. As a group we
sought to gain as much information as we could from Ms. David. In our preliminary research, we
found so many different and interesting aspects of her career. To ask just a set of structured or
unstructured questions would be unfair to her and our research. One example of our structured

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�questions was: “What do you think would be the long-term consequences of human trafficking if
more awareness isn’t spread?” One simple example of our unstructured questions went as
followed: “Could you tell us more about you time as an UN advisor to Timor-Leste?” Since Ms.
David had so much to offer, we found it best to ask all around questions, which best helped us in
understanding her career and impact on US/Asian relations.
In terms of probing questions, we were greatly interested in her career against human
trafficking and its origin. We approached this by directly asking: “How did you get involved in
fighting against human trafficking?” We continued on this path, by asking Ms. David about her
time and role she played in Timor-Leste. Ms. David told us about her time in the Southeast Asian
country from how she dealt with counter terrorism to helping with the country’s first elections.
When giving the interview, the three of us equally divided the responsibility. We split the
questions amongst ourselves in a way that we each spoke to her for an equal amount of time. We
also took turns taking notes. We decided to go this route so that we could 1) have each other’s
opinions from the notes and, 2) so that we alternated who was paying attention to Ms. David.
While taking notes, we took care not to take notes all at the same time so that at least one of us
was watching Ms. David at all times, showing that we were interested in what she was saying.

Section Four:
The first thing we did was joke a bit about the technical issues we had been having
previously, which ended up setting the mood for the entire interview as being very relaxed and
held a peer-to-peer vibe. We reintroduced ourselves to Mary David, so she would be able to put
faces to the names of the people that she was corresponding with. After that we jumped into the
interview quickly, as we had a lot of questions to ask her. We started with the short answer
question of where Ms. David was born, which was in Chennai, India. Then after that we pretty
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�much exclusively asked open-ended questions. How she would explain human trafficking to
someone who is not educated on the issue depended on the audience and that it has different
technical definitions but at the source it is when a person is forced, fraud, or coerced. Normally,
it is implied that a person needs to be moved, but it really is about that person’s exploitation.
How she got involved with the issue of human trafficking was when she visited Cyprus in
college during study abroad because she thought it would be an off the beaten path location.
What she didn’t know at the time was that there was a large Sri Lankan and Filipino population
there and that they were lower class and discriminated against, which caused issue because of her
physical features causing her to be lumped in with them as well. She faced the same types of
discrimination, which included being threatened, and she didn’t feel comfortable in reporting it
because the police seemed not to care. Ms. David began to wonder what these workers went
though and when she asked they were able to open to her about their poor working conditions
that they had been tricked into, offers which were made to make a person think that they would
have a truly great opportunity and then turning out that the idea is only for getting paperwork to
go through and then they are subjected to horrible situations.

After that question we felt the need to expand on that more and asked an improved
question: Where there any stories in particular that sticks with you even now? She told us of a
woman who was a college degree-government worker in the Philippines that went over to
Cyprus work in an administrative role at a hospital but was forced into domestic work after she
had already spent so much on paperwork to get to Cyprus. Ms. David saw her experience as eyeopening, that this woman couldn’t go out alone, her phone was taken from her so she couldn’t
call family and watched everything she did. The fact she was college educated was not a typical
story, but it showed how broad the issue is and that background isn’t always the key factor. In
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�talking about her time in Timor-Leste, she talked about the range of jobs she had while she was
there which included an advisor on Women’s and Children’s Issues (for human trafficking,
exploitation, marginalized and economically poor women), an election campaign for
representatives for the committee on the elimination of the discrimination against women (which
involved working with other country states and why the issue was important and what they could
go as a collective), counter-terrorism for UN to show their efforts in preventative measures and
revision of the Constitution to align with values of anti-women discrimination.
We moved back to talking about human trafficking as a whole and the at risk population
being those with the least access to opportunities, which are most often women and children,
particularly in lower socioeconomic groups, without access to education and sanitation. It also
affects large families who can’t support all their children, either as a way to try and lift the
children up to a better situation or to better the lives of the family by selling off the child. The
main reasons for human trafficking have the largest links to sexual abuse and incest, which
makes these individuals more susceptible and they are sought out by traffickers because they are
easily manipulated use prior abuse to hurt them emotionally. There is also a relation to a lack of
a stable home life or those without an emotional support network (economic status aside) which
ties to, in America, the foster care system and children's’ lack bonds and they are more easily
lured. We discussed what could be the long-term consequence of human trafficking if awareness
isn’t spread, particularly the awareness of foreign victims. The lack of knowledge of 911 in a
country might not be known to foreign individuals and she worked on a legislation in Maryland
that allowed for multilingual awareness postings in areas where trafficking were taking place,
creating awareness and access to the help they may need. She placed importance in creating a
community and culture of advocates as well, donations being important resources, but more

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�important to get involved. She used examples like doctors who gave reconstructive surgery to
individuals who have been mutilated and tattoo artists who remove tattoo brands from victims as
being ways that people can help fight trafficking using their work. We moved to the importance
in the role of women quickly went back to the “main reasons of human trafficking” question to
add on that one of the big issues, globally, is also low self-esteem. Since this is one of the roots
of the problems of human trafficking, women hold an important role in teaching self-esteem to
one another and forming relationships.

Since women are often scarred with physical

relationships, other women are important in creating a safe environment for them to help build
trust and heal. Men and women are both important, but trafficked women are sometimes afraid
to trust with men after their experiences so women’s roles become very important in this aspect.
We then moved onto her relationship with the arts as a platform for awareness. For Ms.
David, she wondered how to get an audience's attention from the start. Pageants were her best
platform, because she automatically had an audience and she was able to make connections. Her
main example was that if she tried going into schools as just the Deputy Chair for the Maryland
Human Trafficking task force, they were leery because of students’ young ages. Yet with her
mentioning that she is a beauty pageant girl, all of a sudden those same doors became more open
for her, which gave her access to kids that she wouldn’t have been able to reach before. She sees
the arts has a great way to connect with kids especially, but for all other age groups as well
because of the emotional response possible. Official audiences are important too, but it is every
day people who response to stories and narrative can capture attention.
When asked who the most interesting person she had met, she seemed to find it a tough
question for her because she couldn’t really choose. Who she thought of was a guy that she
couldn’t remember his name, but he was the main guy from Law and Order TV show, when she

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�interviewed him she was impressed with his passion for international refugees. She thought she
could give a better answer if she came back to it. So we rephrased the question a bit to gain a
more clarified response from her in an effort to be helpful: Who was the most influential person
that she found throughout her career? She thought there were really two, but she choose to focus
on one. Sophia Borges, one of the youngest ambassadors at the UN and working with her was
very valuable to Ms. David, who described her as being a “powerhouse” and an individual who
“owned her confidence”. What remained important to Ms. David about this experience was
Ambassador Borges “humanness” and her imperfections coupled with seeing her act in an
official capacity. The little quirks were what really had an effect on the impression of her. We
also discussed the issue of the “bossy” versus “controlling the room” for women in relation to
seeing Ambassador Borges’ way of handling herself as a woman in those situations.
When talking about her identity as an American woman helping Asian or an Asian
woman helping Asia, she said she saw herself as Asian American. She sees labels and boxes as a
struggle, since even Asia is hard to define because of its size and diversity. She considers herself
culturally influenced as both when she tried to bring herself more to context of the question she
identified herself as a woman helping Asia. We then asked how she felt she contributed to U.S.–
Asian relations as a woman and her greatest accomplishments. She had to put a lot of thought in
during answering this question, since she used a lot of filler or hesitation words, but she saw
being a woman of Asian American descent as part of her approach to issues, in courts in
particular. She related it to her current work with the judge in charge of criminal prosecution in
Maryland as her perspective was shaped by the victims she worked with and also by her
experiences as an Asian American woman. And for the UN, she knew the importance for
bringing up minorities populations to have a voice to speak for themselves and others.

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�She sees herself being Asian American as a plus in understanding the “Otherness” that
these minorities often face and via different perspectives and mentioned the horrible “What are
you?” question that those of non-Caucasian descent often get asked in terms of their ethnicity.
She sees that her identity as both Asian and American as a way of understanding victims and
awareness of the cultural “sensitivities” that often surround issues such as domestic violence and
rape. This understanding is important so that she can talk about it within the Asian community
and also outside of it. In repeating the second part of the question once again and since a
different person answered it was slightly rephrased and narrowed down: What you feel are your
greatest accomplishments in U.S.-Asian Relations, particularly related to human trafficking? She
held great emphasis on her work in Timor-Leste’s nomination and election to the committee on
the elimination of discrimination against women and also in making changes to the country’s
national constitution to help women have access to resources in cases of domestic violence,
sexual abuse and assault.
There was another that she was unsure about adding at first, because it did not relate to
Asia, but we encouraged her to continue on, since it was something that she did want to add onto
accomplishments. She even said that it meant a lot to her in helping with the general election of
a presidential candidate who was actively fighting slavery for Mauritania Africa, which highest
percentage of slavery in the world at 20%. This candidate ran on the platform of the fight
against slavery and trafficking, and reached out to her. He didn’t win, it was a fixed election, yet
he got a large percentage of the vote with promoting these issues.
As a wrap-up question: What do you see yourself wanting to do in the future? From
where she is now, what are things that she would like to focus on? Ms. David is very interested
her legal work and her goal right now is to focus on criminal prosecution, especially of

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�traffickers, but also of child sexual abuse and child pornography related cases. She also very
passionate about the connection of the arts with human rights issues. She feels that education on
issues of human trafficking need to be talked about earlier than they often are, with target
audiences of youth being high school, which is more often already too late of an age and more of
a need to educate younger audience as a way of prevention, which is very difficult for adults to
handle. Kids are learning from wrong sources and she wants to provide the right sources. She is
creating a film to illustrate a false love story of a trafficking victim, as a source for younger kids
to get started in dialogue about it. We started to close the interview and she said that she would
be happy to help us in any way she could in the future.
Then she suddenly thought of something else that she thought was important to add on. One
important legislation she helped draft in Maryland from a misdemeanor to felony along with
creating a government fund to help trafficked victims from the assets of traffickers. The fact that
it was a misdemeanor was something that she happened upon and she presented it to the
governor.
Section Five:
Our group ended the interview in complete contentment. Our group felt that out of the
many good parts of the interview, Ms. David was easy to relate to, as she is in a similar situation
as all of the members of our group. Our group members also deal with the clash of ethnic and
cultural identities. Just like Mary David, we are in a situation of trying to manage our cultural
heritage with our “American” upbringing. As Ms. David stated in the interview, instead of being
part of only one, we can fully identify as all of our identities and use it as a means of helping
both in Asia and in America.

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�Our group also admired how driven Ms. David is. At such a young age, she was able to
accomplish a lot, even being listed as a Top 99 Foreign Policy Leader under 33 in 2013. She is a
person with a mission and she has worked diligently to fulfill her goal. Ms. David is a woman of
different backgrounds (Indian and American) and she was able to break barriers through methods
that others don’t often utilize.
It was even more meaningful that she found a direction to follow at a similar age that our
group members are in now. While many college students, like ourselves, are only concerned
with their GPAs, Ms. David was examining what was in front of her and questioning the whys
and trying to come up with solutions for the social injustices that she was uncovering. Our group
found her ability to balance her schoolwork with her humanitarian work an admirable feat and a
great source of inspiration.
Mary David was also an excellent interviewee. She was very on point with topics and
didn’t go on tangents. Although we had only sent her a few of our questions, she was so
prepared in this topic that it seemed as if we had sent her our entire list of questions beforehand.
She was extremely well versed in the topics we asked her about, and was very direct with her
answers. Because of this, there were not any parts of the interview that our group found to be
not useful. Every statement that Ms. David made had some sort of relevance to our interview
and some sort of positive effect on the group.
In our focus to find out more about her accomplishments, our group feels that we should
have asked her about her origin story. It would have been interesting, and perhaps useful, to
know more about her history. What is her background and how did she grow up? What geared
her towards law in the first place? How did her family life affect her decision to pursue law and
human trafficking? Questions similar to this would have been good to ask.

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�Our group would also have liked to know what the process was of her involvement post
her story from Cyprus. After having her experience there, what steps did she take mentally and
physically to begin her fight? How long after this experience had she made her decision? We
felt that would be good to know because it gives us background information on how she decided
to shift her career towards human rights, instead of when and why.
In comparison to other in-class presentations we found three interviewees to be particularly
interesting. These women were Clarissa Burt, Nancy Payne, and Jennifer Chou.
With Clarissa Burt we found her work with the Naval Academy to be greatly captivating.
Being a professor in Arabic studies, she was truly in engrossed in her subject, and shared a great
love for it. This reminded us of Mary David in a sense, as we had the similar process of listening
to how passionate Ms. David was with her mission. Just as Ms. Burt’s group listened and asked
follow-up questions on her area of expertise, we did the same. In this case it allowed for both
Ms. David and Ms. Burt to expand on points and ideas they wished to talk about more.
Interviewee Nancy Payne, was another person we found to be of interest. As a group, we
found Ms. Payne’s use of the arts as a means of communicating awareness, very similar to Ms.
David. Nancy Payne’s participation in the Radio Drama of South Sudan, allowed for the spread
of western ideologies in gender issues and democracy. Just as Nancy Payne used radio, Ms.
David’s art performances raised awareness for human trafficking. While Ms. David did not
convey the same message, both women used the arts as medium to spread their ideas across.
Finally, we found the work of Ambassador Jennifer Chou to be compelling. An aspect of her
interview that stood out to us, was her views of defining gender. Ambassador Chou’s ideas were
considerably similar to Ms. David’s thoughts on ethnic identity. Ms. Chou’s ideal on this issue of
using gender as a defining point to be a bit offensive. In a similar context, Mary David’s feelings

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�seem to relate on using nationality to define a person’s work. When we asked Ms. David on her
view of whether she finds herself to be an Asian women helping Asia or an American woman
helping Asia, she found herself to be just a person helping the world. As she stated in our
interview: “I don’t like one specific background. Both parts are parts of who I am, Asia is vast,
in my experience I know one that’s dual.”
Overall, our group was pretty pleased with this project. It gave us insight into different
contributions by women that we otherwise may not have ever known about. Many of these
women have helped others immensely with very little recognition. We found all the in-class
presentations to be of great interest, as we saw many of our classmates share the excitement we
did. All the women that were interviewed in this process were greatly insightful and
inspirational.

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                    <text>�Ms. Chou’s mission was to help people through uncovering human rights
violations by bringing them into the spotlight. She is fulfilling this through her work
in founding and having been the Deputy Director of Programming at Radio Free Asia,
a network that reports on news that the mainstream news media does not cover.
Although she has recently retired, she is now starting to work with the Human Rights
Network, which is also centered around acknowledging human rights violations in
order for them to be fixed.
Her mission relates to women's roles in US-Asian relations because of her
part as a woman in acknowledging human rights violations. Many times, women
suffer from these violations, which Ms. Chou works to bring to the public’s attention.
For example, one man Ms. Chou worked with was protesting against forced abortions
to meet the quota for China's one family one child policy, something that infringes
upon a woman’s right to bodily autonomy.
From Ms. Chou, we learned that her Confucian society often discouraged
her from becoming a career woman, which was an idea that was thoroughly discussed
in class. Confucian society enforced harsh gender roles that women are supposed to
remain unseen and in the home. According to Confucian society, women’s primary
roles are to fulfill domestic responsibilities such as cleaning, cooking, and childrearing. In addition, women are expected to remain mostly subservient, all while the
husband works for the family as the primary bread-winner.
Ms. Chou covered lots of new information we had not previously covered

�in class. Her advice focused mostly on not letting disadvantages get in the way of
pursuing one’s dreams. She firmly stated during the interview that hard work got her
where she is, and being a female minority did not play a role in hindering or helping
her progress.

�During out interview, we began by asking questions about Ms
Chou's background because we wanted to gain context about her life. She is
an accomplished individual and we wanted to find where her inspiration and
drive came from. We also wanted to know how she went about achieving her
life goals. The most interesting thing about our interview is that she went into
great detail while answering our short prompts--we think that this is due to her
background in journalism. Every answer she provided for us was extremely
insightful, and on our end, we did a lot of active listening. For example, when
we asked about her background and where she grew up, it was natural for us
to ask what influence her parents had on the choices she made that eventually
led to her career as a journalist. Post interview, we were fortunate because
she gave us a lot of information based on the open ended questions that we
asked. Despite our own previous knowledge of Radio Free Asia, she persisted
to including more background, such as being based off of Radio Free Europe,
and how she was approached to be a founder. During the interview, we did not
have one set person who asked all of the questions. We each jumped in to ask
and respond where we felt necessary, and, in addition, we all took our own

�notes.
Unfortunately, we did have one problem with the interview. On
occasion, Ms. Chou’s audio would fade out. Fortunately, her answers were so
well-spoken that we were able to fill in the gaps if we missed some
information.
So, to sum up our experience, although we had questions lined
up before the interview, a lot of our questions during it were based off of her
responses, and we developed more of a dialogue rather than a yes or no
question scenario. Active listening was very evident because we were all
taking notes, and each of us provided at least one probing question after
receiving her response. We all showed interest in her life and each of us found
a topic that was particularly interesting and that caused us to ask more
questions.
One important thing to note is how she downplayed her gender discrimination.
Being told by the department chair of journalism that transfer spots are limited
and should be reserved for men because they would not eventually leave their
careers to have a family could have been a barrier that stopped women from
pursuing journalism, but it did not stop Ms. Chou.

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